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Staines? Dorking? Leatherhead? Mousehole? Towcester?
It wasn’t until an American friend pointed out that some
town names in the UK are baffling, bizarre, and frankly
ridiculous. I hadn’t even noticed - they were just places
to
me.
This is an add-on service for Google Maps (or such) that
provides a spoken etymology of those strange place-
names
when they’re picked on the map.
For instance:
*Hackney - (HAK-nee), Old English, though to originate
from Hakka, a Saxon surname, and Ey, an island*
The database would be a wiki-like open collaboration,
allowing knowledgeable natives to provide names and
histories.
In addition, we have a problem in the uk with the rise in
number of “new” towns and villages to the extent that
we’ve run out of place names and old ones are getting
re-
used, causing no end of confusion. The extended service
could use the database to generate new names to meet
the growing demand.
Ultimately this service would ensure that visiting tourists
would be comfortable knowing that they weren’t being
mocked when being given dubious sounding directions:
“Take the third exit to Hampster, left at the Knibble T-
junction, three miles past Arsehat…”
No sniggering at the back!
I’m off to Twatt now.
Twatt
https://en.wikipedi.../wiki/Twatt,_Orkney
Yes, really! [Frankx, Sep 04 2021]
Bell End
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_End
[Frankx, Sep 04 2021]
Sherford, Devon. The new one.
http://sherford.org/
Doh! There’s already a Sherford, Devon, barely 20 miles away. Get your own name ya thieving b**tards. [Frankx, Sep 04 2021]
Dildo, Newfoundland
https://en.wikipedi...ndland_and_Labrador
[Frankx, Sep 04 2021]
The Meaning of Liff
https://www.amazon....026-9357468-2004468
Alternative approach to this problem. From Douglas Adams et al. [tatterdemalion, Sep 04 2021]
Mousehole
https://en.m.wikipe...i/The_Mousehole_Cat
[pertinax, Sep 04 2021]
Washington
https://en.wikipedi...Washington_Old_Hall
[Frankx, Sep 05 2021]
Tongue Loanen
https://commons.m.w...org.uk_-_782962.jpg
My favourite place name [xenzag, Sep 05 2021]
https://www.notting...oups/ins/index.aspx
Just to point out that place-name-studies is a well established academic discipline. There are published print and online dictionaries where you could look this stuff up. Fun as it is to giggle like gawky teenagers... [pocmloc, Sep 05 2021]
[link]
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Well Lard tundr'n Jeez bye, welcome to Dildo Newfoundland. |
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Wow, that’s real? [link] Clearly so. |
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Get yourself a copy of John Dodgson's 'Home Town: What's Behind The Name?'. Available on Amazon for US$75 or Ebay for £1.50. It's not exactly comprehensive but does give you exactly this info for a lot of places in the UK.
Alternatively, & much more fun, get yourself an Old English & Anglo-Saxon language course & work out what the names mean yourself! |
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//Alternatively, & much more fun// |
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Rarely as easy as that [Bob], lengthy research of
the names slow mutation through musty tomes & records
ranging from the merely old to the positively ancient of an
adequate nature to secure a masters is often a
companion necessity to knowing the language in which it
was originally named. |
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Oh, and it's handy to know what language it was originally
named in b4 you start, not always safe to assume you know
when it was founded or even that it was named in the
locale language of the time you've assumed it was, that can
be a whole other doctorate. |
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Imagine your chagrin having postulated at length on your
favoured etymological source of the
name
of the hamlet of Bad Ass, only to be advised by a locale
that it was
established a mere ten years ago &
named
whimsically by a Discworld fan. |
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//it's handy to know what language it was originally named in//
For British place names you can pick up on that quite easily in many cases. Anything ending in '-ing' means 'the people of'. So Dorking is the people of Dork. I have to admit that I had to look up the Dork (Dorce) bit to find out that it is a river. '-cester' is a fort or strong place, so Towcester is the strong place on the River Tow.
It helps to be a bit of a Tolkien geek as he was deeply into old languages & the 'boring' appendices in his books are littered with Old English examples.(e.g. the Rohirrim were the Eorlingas. The people of Eorl).
I am happy to admit complete ignorance about 'Mousehole' though! |
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//Imagine your chagrin having postulated at length//
In those situations, I find it best to just try & bluff it out! :)
One of the things that I've learned over time is that if you say something with enough confidence, & seeming authority, people will believe you even in the face of their own certain knowledge. A bit depressing really. |
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//Anything ending in '-ing' means 'the people of// |
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There's an inlet of the North Sea called The Wash. It's people
are the Washings.Their town is, I'm told, a quiet, friendly one-pub
community. |
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//complete ignorance about 'Mousehole'// |
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The aetiological myth for that name is recounted in a children's
book (see link). |
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The US Capital could have been “Heartburn”, but
for some quirky geordie Englishness [link] |
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… and Boston was once “St Botolph’s-tun”. |
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//Sherford, Devon//
Perhaps they're expecting the two to merge as (inevitable?)
expansion of the outer suburbs takes place? |
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Greetings from the settlement of Deornoth's people. Not far
away are Wideopen, Pity Me, and Wham. |
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Perhaps, while discussing bizarre placenames, your American
friend would consider the village of Quonochontaug, which
takes its name - as do many in that region - from the local
native language. |
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(Incidentally, I will shortly be visiting Mousehole; on the
way, I will pass close to both Catbrain and Dog Village.) |
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Wait a minute...I just saw a ghost. That's not possible, is it? |
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//settlement of Deonorth's people// |
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Home of Cleveland Bridge co. is it not? I knew an engineer
from there, built the Lantau bridge in HK. |
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//Wideopen, Pity Me and Wham// - new to me. |
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Hi angel. Good to hear from you again!
Whilst searching the map for Pity Me, I discovered that between PityMe & Rock (which is just south of Porthilly), is the excellently named Splatt. There's the plot of a good story there, I think. |
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There's a town I was at when I was a kid called; Where He Got His Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump, Alberta. |
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Later shrunk down to just Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump since it's pretty obvious where he got his head smashed in. |
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My personal favorite is the old town of Neversink, NY.
Currently under 34 billion gallons of water. The root is
actually an Algonquin word meaning something like "mad
river", which is what was dammed to make the reservoir. |
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//My personal favorite is the old town of Neversink, NY.// |
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Now to be renamed "Titanic, NY"? |
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My favorite in the UK is Shilbottle a few miles north of
Newcastle upon Tyne. It's so routinely graffitied the sign
usually reads: "Shitbottle". Some have suggested it's twinned
with "Bouteille de Merde", France and "Sheisseflashce",
Germany. |
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//complete ignorance about 'Mousehole'// |
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My only knowledge of the place is that you're not supposed
to pronounce it as 'Mouse Hole' but more something like
'Moozle'. |
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By the way, [2Fries], that's an EXCELLENT transcribing of the
Newfie accent. |
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[Frankz], Cleveland Bridge also built the Tamar
Bridge from Devon to Cornwall (which I will be
using soon {and incidentally, the father of a friend
of mine was involved in the design}) and the
Sydney Harbour Bridge. |
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[Dr Bob], that's a different Pity Me; mine is in
County Durham. |
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(Mention of the Titanic prompts me to note that
the rudder blocks for that ship and its stable-mates
were made in the settlement of Deornoth's people,
about half a mile from my house.) |
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+ I’ve had to read this so many times before I
could lend a croissant to the pile! It’s amazing and
great and everyone has such wonderful knowledge. |
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My dad used to teach me how they named places
like if it was Bridge-port , Near the sea with the
bridge etc.That’s logical. |
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I also grew up in New England with many Indian
names and even though they might sound strange,
I don’t always know what they mean. |
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As far as graffiti goes, my favorite was Athol, when
someone placed an R in front and an E at the end. |
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I was driving along the N59 and someone had graffitied the sign to Porridgetown by scrawling "yum yum" |
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(as an aside, I didn't know until I looked it up just now but Porridgetown is a small area within the larger division called Wormhole) |
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//that's an EXCELLENT transcribing of the Newfie accent.// |
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Thanks eh. Worked with more than my share of newfies. Crazy fuckers... no insult intended. |
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If I'd been going for the full-rock experience I would have pronounced it Newf'nlaind, but only a few of us would have understood. |
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[angel] - //Tamar Bridge// aha, I know it well. Enjoy your
stay in Kernow. Some excellent place names there! |
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