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This came to me in a dream. Let me
preface this by acknowledging that current
ceiling fans circulate air throughout the
whole room.
Take a sphere (I’m thinking 1-2 feet
diameter) and seal it into two halves. Place
a fan in the center of the seal so it pumps
air from one half to the other.
Now mount
small air driven motors with small fan
blades on them as closely spaced as
possible. Air will be drawn in one side to
drive the motors on one half, and out the
other to drive the motors on that half. Fan
blades will be angled so that air emanates
out from the orb.
This is probably (definitely) less efficient
than existing fans, but aesthetically much
cooler (no pun intended) I think. Internal
lighting on the sphere would add even
more aesthetic value.
Something like this?
https://www.creativ...ular-city-sculpture
(This is "art", not a functional device...) [neutrinos_shadow, Mar 15 2020]
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first: i don't see how this would be any lounder than an ordinary ceiling fan. |
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second, air does not blow out of holes in the ball (for means of circulation) the air pressure difference between the inside and outside of the ball drives small fans mounted to the outside of the ball. |
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Bleh, this sounds like a dream. There's a fan in the middle, which produces airflow. Said airflow then drives air-powered motors. Said motors then drive fans? What the . . .? Definitely less efficient. |
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I could see making a sphere and covering it with small fans, each with its own electric motor. I could see making a sphere and covering it with little louvered openings fed by one big fan inside the top. Either would look pretty, sorta. |
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i though about both of the other
options, and I almost edited it to have
one large fan at the top, but i liked the
verticaly aligned fan. I also envisioned
this made solely from plexi (all but the
main drive motor) so that the air motors
are clear also. |
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I just thought it was a neat idea for a
chandelier/ fan for those people who
dont have to worry about money or
efficency. |
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Inefficiency is heat without airflow, which you don't want. But maybe the heat isn't that much. |
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Am I correct to see this as a ball that blows out air on one end and draws it in on the other side, with whirlygigs mounted around its surface? |
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I may need a drawing to understand. |
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The problem with standard ceiling fans is that they create a strong draft. This new version has the potential to redistribute air in a more chaotic manner, less disturbing to any people in the room. |
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//The problem with standard ceiling fans is that they create a strong draft// |
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I thought that was the purpose of ceiling fans. |
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//Am I correct to see this as a ball that blows out air on one end and draws it in on the other side, with whirlygigs mounted around its surface// |
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no. the ball blows air in all directions. the shafts the outer flablades are mounted on will be long enough to allow air to pass in one side (driving motors that turn the fan blades) and out the other (driving the motors that turn the fan blades) the outer fanblades all spin to blow air away from the ball. |
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Sorry, I can not picture this at all. How about a diagram? |
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Well, I guess I need to ask a blunt, and possibly brutal sounding question. I'm not trying to be mean, I just want to make sure we're all on the same page here. |
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These "air-powered motors," How are they different from... pinwheels? Windmill blades? I think it is these devices which are causing us a bit of confusion. |
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In short, aside from fan blades, and a central axle, do they contain any moving parts, which would warrant the need to use the word "motors" to describe them? |
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Is it not the central fan which is providing the motive force (via wind-power) for all of these others? And is not the simplest way to deliver this power through the passive process of having the wind spin the fan blade? If so, I'm not sure that there's any functional purpose, although it might indeed have a cool effect... especially if it was all made of clear prismatic material, and placed in sunlight. |
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Then again, there's also a small chance that some of the curves needed for the blades might include parabolic sections, and you might burn someone's house down with it. I think it's worth the risk though. |
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//no. the ball blows air in all directions//
You may not have meant this literally, but if it blows in ALL directions, then it will do nothing but create a small cavity of low pressure at the center of your ball. |
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Nope, don't get it. Where is the intake? This sounds like a a cool lamp, not a fan. |
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PS if you want to move more air but not have a draft, use bigger blades moving slower: bigassfans.com, we are putting them in our warehouse. |
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// we are putting them in our warehouse // |
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Better to fix them to your ceilings, shirley ? |
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//first: i don't see how this would be any lounder than an ordinary ceiling fan// |
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Standard fans circulate airflow vertically downwards in the centre of the room and upwards near the walls, creating a toroidal airflow. The spherical fan would create multiple airflow vortices in addition to the major torus, giving rise to self-similarility. |
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"Lounder" is a measure of fractal dimension in choatic flow systems, so a spherical fan will create flow with more lounder (or "be more lounder" in lab parlance) than a standard ceiling fan. |
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I am more skeptical of the "360 Degeres" claim, the Degere being of course a unit of refreshment (invented by Monsieur Dégere), with one Degere being equal to drinking a single glass of water at standard room temperature and pressure with a body hydration of 60.0%. 360 Degeres works out as being equal to going ice swimming in Antarctica after spending thirty six years in a sauna. |
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If you want a ball that shoots air, why not hang the ball over a vent? One big central fan could then power multiple blow balls. |
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Or just have a huge fan under the floor and a ball pit in the room... |
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OR you could line the floor with shredded newspaper and wood chips, and install in-door hamster cages everywhere! |
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I haven't been to the HB in a while, my studies have
consumed me for the past few years (I transfered to
Georgia Tech, a real school). I'll address the latest
comments now. |
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//Well, I guess I need to ask a blunt, and possibly brutal
sounding question. I'm not trying to be mean, I just want
to make sure we're all on the same page here. |
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These "air-powered motors," How are they different
from... pinwheels? Windmill blades? I think it is these
devices which are causing us a bit of confusion. |
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In short, aside from fan blades, and a central axle, do
they contain any moving parts, which would warrant the
need to use the word "motors" to describe them? |
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Is it not the central fan which is providing the motive
force (via wind-power) for all of these others? And is not
the simplest way to deliver this power through the passive
process of having the wind spin the fan blade? If so, I'm not
sure that there's any functional purpose, although it might
indeed have a cool effect... especially if it was all made of
clear prismatic material, and placed in sunlight. |
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Then again, there's also a small chance that some of
the curves needed for the blades might include parabolic
sections, and you might burn someone's house down with
it. I think it's worth the risk though.// |
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I think you're the first reader who has seen my vision. I
don't know why I said motors in the original post (perhaps I
was actually wanting to use small pneumatic motors, that
was a long time ago). Upon re-reading, yes, I am
envisioning a sphere with a bunch of pinwheels protruding
from it in all directions. These pinwheels are turned by the
air flowing (flow caused by the large central fan in the
center of the sphere) in or out of the holes in the central
sphere which also have pinwheels in them. |
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//I am more skeptical of the "360 Degeres" claim, the
Degere being of course a unit of refreshment (invented by
Monsieur Dégere), with one Degere being equal to drinking
a single glass of water at standard room temperature and
pressure with a body hydration of 60.0%. 360 Degeres works
out as being equal to going ice swimming in Antarctica
after spending thirty six years in a sauna.// |
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Ah, I see your mistake. I was referring to the term
circulation, invented by a colleague of Msr. Dègere, Msr.
Cirulàt, not the commonly used circulation referring to the
movement of a fluid. His unit involved a surface integral of
the Degere and some other convoluted calculations (I'll
skip the fluid mechanics as they get quite involved).
Suffice to say that when you take a circulation and
substitute in the properties of air at STP, a Degere of air
circulation is approximately equal to 2*pi/360 radians.
Sorry for obfuscation |
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While I don't know if this would be lounder than an ordinary ceiling fan, due to not knowing the definition of loundness, it would most certainly be louder for the same airflow. Smaller fans are less efficient, and a lot of the wasted power becomes sound. As well, all of those fans blowing and generating vortices side-by-side, and some partly behind others, will produce a lot of turbulence, and turbulence makes sound. |
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