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*Sorry, the document isn't complete, working while at
school*
Basically, I have been looking into the emissions of on-
road
vehicles, their cost, fuel efficiency, etc. I figured that I
should try to make a system that is highly efficient and
in
some aspects if not put into a whole production
vehicle,
some do-dads could be retrofitted to improve late model
and early model vehicles alike. Things included and
discussed are: emissions, fuel efficiency, friction,
electric
motors, batteries, hydrogen injection, water injection,
egr, bio fuels, engine theory and design, etc. There are
also other things about this vehicle that are unique and
unrelated to the drivetrain and powerplant, such as
suspension.
1st - vehicles | The automobile is an outstanding
invention
that has
affected our society to the point where it's odd if you
didn't have one of these miracles. The problem that
occurs more often today however is emissions and
economy of these production vehicles, it would be nice
to
see an automobile manufacturer produce a vehicle that
gets 100+ mpg, and puts out nearly zero pollutants.
However, this is more of fantasy than reality for anybody
knows that they wouldn't do that unless their company is
in
jeopardy, which I find that it's not always
what the people running and working at/for these places
want to do but it would be extremely risky to go above
what's standard and invest a bunch of money into making
a
slightly more economical car. At this rate, the only
people
who are making standards for pollution is the EPA, which
so far hasn't been the biggest help as far as I understand.
*Note: I am 14 so please don't criticize me too much for
not being the most reliable source of information or if I
have something wrong here.*
2nd - Engines & Power ---> Wheels | There are very many
basic drivetrain and engine configurations, first, how
does
an engine work? Well, if you're reading this you already
know that, and you would suspect that if we were going
to
use any engine that it would be a four-stroke engine,
well, have you ever heard of a 4+2 (6) stroke engine?
These are typically opposed piston engines which have
one piston working half the revolutions of the other
piston and can use the 2 stoke piston to open and close
valves as seen in the Beare head 6 stroke engine. These
engines have 2 power strokes out of 6 strokes which
means that every three strokes, 1 power stroke occurs.
The 2 power strokes are different however, for one uses
the fuel/air mixture and the second uses water
injection, this is by far the most common design I have
witnessed. The second power stroke that uses water
injection works by either having a water injector in the
intake or a separate intake and valve altogether, when it
sucks in air to ready the second
power stroke, no fuel is sprayed, only a fine mist of
water, which then adsorbs heat and turns into steam
which, obviously, means that it is not going to be as
powerful of a stroke as the fuel/air power stroke but the
power output is relative - meaning that it makes a
sufficient amount of power, especially talking torque
maybe? Anyways, this engine has variants -some up to,
40% reduction fuel consumption, 65% reduction in carbon
monoxide. They overall have low build costs since you
eliminate the camshaft, valves, and the head altogether.
Water injection too can be added to the fuel/air mix to
further reduce Heat, NOx, and other things that are
discussable. One more note on the water injection is
that we can further cool down exhaust gas temperatures
to start condensing the steam into water. We can filter
this water and use it through a system of filters, pumps,
reservoirs, injectors, and lines.
3rd - Hydrogen Injection, Lean Burning, Emissions, Hemi
| So we will pick up one more thing that will refresh us
but familiarize us, Water Injection, the main reason that
water injection was ever used was actually to control
pre-detonation, (Just a thought.) Alright, now hydrogen
injection is pretty basic, and this is where the water
recollection system will also come in handy for we don't
want to have people riding around with an unstable
bomb in the back, we can use h20 to produce hydrogen
on demand and feeding it through a vacuum tube that
leads to the manifold, or a specific series of strategically
placed hydrogen vacuum tubes in the manifold to ensure
steady hydrogen/petrol ratio in each cylinder. Hydrogen
burns 7-9X faster than petrol, it also ignites extremely
easy. This is because of the nature of hydrogen, by
definition, explodes vs petrol, which burns. This
enrichment of hydrogen can also help ignite engine that
runs extremely lean. The leaner you can run an engine,
the more fuel efficient it becomes, and despite usual
rumors, it actually makes the engine run cooler running
lean, at least to a certain extent. The matter is not
running anything lean is always making it better, it's all
about how well the fuel can ignite, if the fuel is not
spread out enough with the air, it won't burn properly, it
the fuel is spread out to far across the bore it may have
problems running, with hydrogen injection, no problem,
and the production of hydrogen can be directly related
to engine rpm by using the alternator on the engine.
There are two different types of hydrogen cells
(Cells/blocks that produce hydrogen/oxygen using hho) if
you want to learn more about the hydrogen cells google
them. Hydrogen Injection is not producing more fuel
than its burning despite it being able to improve power,
it takes a small amount of hydrogen, which is basic and
easy to produce especially with as much wattage as an
alternator can produce. One more thing, Hydrogen
injection can reduce emissions because it burns the fuel
more efficiently, less hydrocarbons are left un-burnt and
also means less carbon buildup. So we are done right?
Wrong. I'm losing my mind... ? ...I mean lets make this
thing a d*mn hemi for better thermal efficiency? It's
known that the surface area of a hemispherical object is
less than one with sides, this means less walls for heat to
be adsorbed in, and more power to the wheels, one more
thing -you're think "Hey wait a minute, I thought this
d*mn thing was opposed piston or something, so how are
you to make the combustion chamber hemispherical?
Well, it's easy, I can groove out the middle of the pistons
so that each half forms half of the oval that makes the
combustion chamber. Oval is not hemispherical I know,
but it would definitely offer more thermal efficiency
while keeping a usable compression ratio.
4th - Alternative Fuels and EGR | Alternative fuels are
nothing new, but there are some I would like to discuss,
and they all have similar properties. Kerosene, Vegetable
Oil, and Gumweed Oil, if your not sure which one is then I
highly recommend researching them. Anyways, it seems
they all work really well as bio-diesel, but they seem to
have an octane rating around 20, not much. At that rate I
would have to run about 6.5:1 compression and still it
would have a high likeliness that it starts dieseling since
6.5:1 is about when Kerosene, Gumweed Oil, and Veggie
Oil start to self detonate from compression. So not a big
success there but sometime in the future I could possibly
look into useful biofuels for diesel generators or
something. Another Biofuel is Wood Gas, wood gas is not
nearly as dense as gasoline so engines naturally aspirated
mostly will be affected with less overall engine torque and
horsepower, but wood gas has about %14 hydrogen, which
helps a lot when it burns and is probably the sole reason
why running wood gas produces low emissions and a lot
less carbon building and getting into the oil. But wood gas
is something not very useful in a production vehicle. So
lets stick to gasoline, for now at least. Egr is Exhaust Gas
Recirculation, some may argue that R doesn't mean
recirculation but in the end I couldn't give a sh*t, what
matters is what its capable of doing, and egr can reduce
NOx and peak cylinder temperatures. This is useful but
causes rough idle which some systems disable egr at idle
and peak loads. Regenerative braking can also be used to
reduce heat caused by traditional brakes and make useful
work most likely using an electric generator that is
connected to the drivetrain to slow down the rotating
mass. This is essentially hybrid technology which already
exists on vehicles such as the Toyota Prius, but it instead
uses an electric motor to drive the car under low loads and
to regenerate electricity when available, and we can see
just by the Toyota's Gas Millage alone that they must be on
to something.
5. The Design | So I was thinking for a production car, that
this was going to be pretty expensive, but It's a concept
not a reality, yet. I wanted two different models, one a
hatchback with fwd vehicle with a 1000cc (1.0l) six stroke.
And another perhaps a truck or a sport coupe with rwd and
a 2,000cc (2.0l) six stroke engine. There will be another
design but I want to get to these two first. There is one
more thing, which is the Stirling Engine, which uses the
difference in temperature to make power. We can use
these in cars on items such as the exhaust and coolant
which tend to be where a lot of the heat energy goes.
Knowing this we can configure a way to dump all the heat
in a stirling generator somewhere within the car to use
that waste heat and turn it into electricity, the other side
of the stirling engine needs to be cool for max power out
of the stirling generator, this can be achieved by routing
conductors to fins somewhere on top or the the sides of
the car, or have vents like the vw beetles that push the air
in and through a heatsink on the stirling so that you can
effectively maximize the amount of power being
regenerated. One thing about running lean is that not all
the air and fuel can sometimes be mixed properly, to
overcome this issue, we could make the air/fuel mixture
swirl into the cylinder as it draws the mix, just as the hcci
engines do.
Transmissions: So I also was looking into transmissions and
thought that a cvt setup with a gearbox connected to its
output shaft would be marvelous, what this does is it
creates numerous amounts of gearing throughout each
gear, and as the engine rpm increases, the cvt gearing gets
taller. This essentially is a basic hi and low gear for every
gear but it works better because of its auto transitioning of
the gears which can save power by not loading the engine
as much and create smoother acceleration, high low end
power and higher top end speed. I've seen numerous
power sport manufactures use this, commonly with a v-
twin efi motor with a cvt coming out and going into a
manual transmission behind the v-twin, making it really
compact, yet extremely powerful. No I'm not telling you
that you can only use manual trannys, you can also
automatic transmissions as well.
Hatchback: The hatchback has a 1000cc six stroke engine
that alone produces ~150 bhp, with the addition of
hydrogen injection and extreme lean running conditions
and also the quality and other factors of the engine we will
be conservative and say it makes about 120 bhp with water
injection (There will be little water mixed in with the
fuel/air mixture to help with emissions but we actually
want the engine to warm up some so that we can
efficiently use water injection on every second power
stroke.) So here's what it comes down to:
Six Stroke - 1000cc (~120 bhp) (Inline 4)
-Hydrogen Injection
-Water Injection
-EGR
-Vacuum Advance ignition timing
-Hybrid Configuration (Similar to Prius)
-FWD
-Decent Flow Exhaust and Intake
-Baffled Muffler(s)
-Stirling Engines (Attached strategically to the exhaust and
coolant systems)
- cvt + (automatic/manual) transmission
- less than or equal to 2,500 lbs
- ~28:1 a/f (Lean Mixture)
Truck: Basically the same thing as before except it is
either a 2.0 liter six stroke inline 4 or a 2.4 liter six stroke
inline six and it's all rear wheel drive instead of fwd, or it
can be 4x4 but it is supposed to be a smaller truck and I
like the simplicity of the rwd configuration, one thing not
discussed is the type of wheels, and really, just some
medium compound radials will do fine, basically some
standard tires, though I'm not certain on the size of the
tires or rims. The engine of the truck is going to not only
be bigger but will also be tuned for more torque, I haven't
decided on the bore and stroke yet but I'm sure when I do
it will work for both applications. One more thing is the
truck's weight, and well say that with a 2.4 liter inline six -
six stroke engine tuned to make ~200 hp and ~280 ft/lbs of
torque. These numbers don't sound like a lot but the
engine would be purposely tuned to output said amounts of
power which relatively would be enough to propel with
ease these vehicles in mind. I'm not worried about the
power output as I am to fuel consumption of the engine.
Not to say that I don't care about horsepower and torque,
h*ll, you know that I want power but that is not what this
article is about, it is about efficiency overall of the vehicle
and overall of the engine.
One more thing, which I had only thought little about until
Beanangel brought it to my attention, is the production of
the vehicle itself, sometimes, selling a vehicle to the
masses isn't about how you can only make a car for this
amount of money, it's also about the machinery and costs
to manufacture and ship vehicles and other units. If we
can find ingenuitive ways to mass produce vehicles like the
ones I stated, we could potentially save fortunes. And with
that savings you could potentially lower the price of each
vehicle and sell even more. A lot of times success isn't
limited by the company's creativity, but rather it's skills to
produce that product. Honda's machining factories have
become so skilled and advanced that they can almost cut
something say a crankcase right in half and the two
surfaces would mesh almost perfectly when put back
together. Absolutely amazing what they are able to to.
Questions and Answers | A lot of people I assume want
actual results and specific information that has not been
fully discussed. For example, pertinax asked about the
weight of the engines and how much I was hoping to
scavenge. It's hard to say how much I can scavenge, but it
is sort of relative to say that the stirling engine is quite
bulky and may only decrease the power to weight ratio, I
was thinking maybe having one that weighs about 100 lbs
and produces around say 70 hp? It is not so much the hp
I'm looking for unless the stirling was connected to the
drivetrain which is a possibility but I was going towards the
direction of making it an electric generator that gets rid of
the need for an alternator and it directly dumps the power
into the battery and other components in the vehicle. Of
course there might be a backup alternator or something
simple and cheap that can be used if something happens to
the stirling engine than you can still receive enough power
for the ignition system so that your car doesn't have to rely
on that single component for it to run. The weight of the
stirling engine may not be that high at all since I'm sure
with the lack of research in the subject that there is room
for improvement.
If you're still reading this you are one h*ll of a guy, but
don't think that I don't know that adding all these different
components comes with a lot a conflicts, such as weight,
reliability, production costs, etc. I too know that throwing
on a bunch of stuff onto a combustion engine doesn't
always make it better.
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Welcome to the Halfbakery! First six months free! |
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So, I get the desire to have more efficient, less polluting
vehicles, but what's the idea for achieving that? |
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I think the fishbone component of the hb may have
to be demonstrated here. (waits to permit poster
the opportunity to carry out an edit that results in
the generation of an explanation as to how this
new vehicle might work) |
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// what's the idea for achieving that? // |
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A Mr. Fusion Home Energy Reactor ? |
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Welcome to the HB, [James]. In the "meta" section you will find a very useful help file, which gives hints on how to avoid a merciless savaging by the bunch of pedantic, aggressive, intolerant misanthropes that infest this place. |
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A certain amount of leeway is allowed to new members, but only for a short period. The clock is now ticking; your time is limited, use it well. |
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Oh, and beware the one that calls itself [xenzag]. It is a Zillon, from the planet Tharg, and can not be trusted. |
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//what's the idea for achieving that?// The
glutinous paste made from wringing out 8th's bed
sheets, has proven to perform well as a type of
fuel. (if you can stand the overpowering smell) Be
careful when harvesting. He recites the Christmas
songs he writes for hideous despots in his sleep, so
strong ear defenders are recommended. The HB
can be a scary and unpredictable place, then there
is the initiation test....(reading all of these is part
of it) |
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[Ian] is probably right. However, one of the joys of the
Halfbakery is that you can provide elaborate details without
actually knowing what you're talking about. I do it all the
time. So, feel free to propose an idea for how to make a car
super-efficient. I can guarantee your idea will be no worse
than some. |
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// solar cells will never recoup the energy // |
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Not just the energy; wafer fabs produce large amounts of very toxic waste products that have to be processed and safely disposed of. They also need inputs like very high purity lacquers and resins, solvents, dangerous compressed gases like Arsine and Phosphine, disposable clothing and vacuum pump oils. |
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It's only economies of scale that make production viable. |
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One thing you might want to add to your idea is
optimization for shipping to the developing world and
durability. I imagine there might be more than a billion
people out
there on the verge of having cars that do not yet have
one. These people might benefit from a used car,
shipped
from a more developed country. |
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As a kind of similar
example I have heard that unsold thrift store clothes are
exported to the third world by the multiton and then
people wear them instead of making their own. You
could come up with a car that is particularly suited to
that, perhaps it has posts [] on the roof and undercarriage
at four places so
you can stack them without crushing for easier shipping.
You could even specify a new standard size of shipping
container that neatly fits 8 cars as a rectangular block. |
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Possibly make them out of fewer parts so repairs are
less costly. So, as a suggestion make it highly exportable
to benefit others. |
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I happen to work in the auto industry as an engine
engineer, and have worked on a good bit of the
downstream components as well as hybrids, and so
would be happy to stear you along as you develop
this idea further with the few bits and pieces that I
know. |
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Hi , nice, but the problems with ideas is that once birthed into the physical, they face all things not thought of. The very clever members that hang around here can truly give some heads up on the thoughts missed. |
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Oh, and if the ribbing gets too much. I find this means I have missed something, need extra reading, or even have to go off and make a change in an aspect of my life. |
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I think they should come up with battery technologies, that said I perceive that in the developing world they have lots of motorized minibikes. If you like you could reapply and/or simplify your motor inventions for those. It is possible those users would really value fuel efficiency, but it is also a thinking challenge as you would have to, perhaps, reduce complexity and the number of parts to make reliable, cheap, fuel efficient minibikes. |
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I like cars better as they have less passenger risk, but perhaps computers and driverless vehicles will make minibikes less risky to ride. |
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I like your exuberance. Keep up your research and hopefully
you can come up with some improvements to the state of
the art someday. |
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Oh, I don't know; some parts of Tharg are nice. |
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Anyway, [James], roughly how much weight do your Stirling
engines add, and how much energy do you hope they will
scavenge? |
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