"Hunting" but using wax training bullets, so they really do reach out and sting the animal without causing actual injury. Similar to my previous idea for laser tag hunting, this provides humans with good sport without harming wildlife, and provides the added benefit of teaching the animals to keep their heads down better, thus increasing their chances of survival from real hunters.-- 21 Quest, Jul 08 2023 Two fries https://youtu.be/N-LA-aAKcGw [21 Quest, Jul 11 2023] a1, I'd say there are 2 main differences: splattering a deer with paint will make it EASIER for real hunters to see it, thus defeating the point that I was going for, which is to passively sabotage actual hunters' efforts, and with the wax bullets I was going for something approaching similar ballistics/range to live rounds for a more realistic pseudo-hunting experience. You have to get really close with a paintball gun.-- 21 Quest, Jul 10 2023 I'm thinking a wax bullet might be lethal if shaped like a regular hunting round unless you seriously decrease the grains per bullet. Also the weight difference would affect the shot and wind would play a larger role.
...and then there's heat and friction from the rifling deforming the wax to overcome.
I don't know about this one.-- 2 fries shy of a happy meal, Jul 10 2023 If you want to go overly techy, you could put a proximity sensor on the nose & a small charge inside to disintegrate the bullet just before it hits the target. Hmmm The spirit of [8th of 7] is strong in this one...-- neutrinos_shadow, Jul 10 2023 Wikipedia says this about them: "Wax bullets have been in use for over a century in military training, target shooting and confrontational shooting competitions where using real metallic bullets would be needlessly hazardous and unpractical."
That's what got me thinking they'd be better suited for "hunting" than paintballs.-- 21 Quest, Jul 10 2023 Are you telling me that humans have been shot on bare skin by wax bullets with the same velocity as a conventional military round and it didn't penetrate skin?
I would be interested in seeing the actual specs of the operations.-- 2 fries shy of a happy meal, Jul 10 2023 See link, and remember (most) prey mammals have a good thick fur coat.-- 21 Quest, Jul 11 2023 Cool link. Sub cal though, and a lot of drop even at close range.
You make a good point about the thick hide but the ammo you are proposing would still be human lethal and potentially even Bambi lethal depending on where the target was hit.-- 2 fries shy of a happy meal, Jul 11 2023 What about No Hunting Hunting? This is where you leave animals and birds to live their lives free from the fear of some pervert trying to kill them for “fun”?-- xenzag, Jul 11 2023 So Xenzag, you prefer turning a blind eye to it? To the fact that there ARE hunters out there trying to kill them? Curious to find you so squeamish, it is not your reputation.-- 21 Quest, Jul 11 2023 2 fries, human lethal is highly doubtful I think. There's a world of difference between merely breaking the skin and penetrating several inches of tissue to where any organs are. It's gonna hurt, definitely, but that's what teaches them to hide better.-- 21 Quest, Jul 11 2023 Would the sound and smoke of a blank perhaps be enough to teach that lesson or no?-- RayfordSteele, Jul 11 2023 //you prefer turning a blind eye to it// Put it this way. If I had land and hunters came on to it, they would find themselves being blown into small parcels of mince by claymore mines, then left for the crows to eat.-- xenzag, Jul 11 2023 Ray, the sound and smoke can trigger a flight response, but it doesn't let the deer know how vulnerable it was as an individual in the shooter's crosshairs. All deer know the sound of a gun firing, but they don't know what being shot feels like, and won't know until they're dead. Until now! The idea is to reach out to individuals and deliver the message that YOU, yes YOU, are exposed.
Xenzag, you can defend your own land as you see fit. This is for use on public lands. You get all the excitement and thrill of a hunt, while helping train the wildlife to avoid hunters better. If you see a hunter with a rifle aimed at a deer, you can either shoot the hunter and risk an assault charge in court (or actually get shot at back, with his live ammo), or shoot the deer first to scare it off with a relatively harmless sting.-- 21 Quest, Jul 11 2023 Thankfully I live in a country where carrying a weapon on public land would result in arrest and prosecution. The "enjoyment" of stalking then killing or injuring animals is a form of mental illness; a perversion. Many serial killers are recorded to have enjoyed this sort of activity. I find it repulsive.-- xenzag, Jul 11 2023 Injuring? With a wax bullet that didn't even break the skin of a volunteer in that video I posted?-- 21 Quest, Jul 11 2023 //the sound and smoke can trigger a flight response, but it doesn't let the deer know how vulnerable it was as an individual in the shooter's crosshairs. All deer know the sound of a gun firing, but they don't know what being shot feels like, and won't know until they're dead. Until now! The idea is to reach out to individuals and deliver the message that YOU, yes YOU, are exposed.//
//Injuring? With a wax bullet that didn't even break the skin of a volunteer in that video I posted?//
I feel like you need to decide how damaging your wax bullets are. If they're not very damaging, that's fine - but it seems to run counter to your intent of teaching animals about their risk.
Maybe there's a happy medium - but it seems like if there is, it's probably quite a narrow window between injuring the deer and teaching them that guns aren't much of an issue.-- Loris, Jul 11 2023 [xen], I've always argued that we need to arm (aside from their regular appendages) the animals, especially in high 'trophy hunting' areas. You know, firepower to match firepower.
Certainly seems like the Orcas have read my memo, and are sinking yachts at a furious pace. The Octopuses are their natural water-based allies, being better armed <snurk>. Elephants and Foxes are the smart land animals who could offer some surprisingly strategic pushback on the savannahs and in the bushlands.
Everybody has to eat, and all animals hunt, but trophy hunters are a sick bunch of ash-oles--perhaps redeemed appropriately as ash-y compost for endangered trees.-- Sgt Teacup, Jul 11 2023 Sgt Teacup, I refer you to my post "Dolphin self defense classes".-- 21 Quest, Jul 11 2023 With everything turning digital and AI it seems to me we could have that in a rifle/scope package such that one's hunting prowess (or lack of such) could be monitored in real time and your "shots" and "kills" determined without any projectiles ever being fired.-- whatrock, Jul 11 2023 //The "enjoyment" of stalking then killing or injuring animals is a form of mental illness; a perversion. Many serial killers are recorded to have enjoyed this sort of activity. I find it repulsive.//
I also find the enjoyment of it repulsive. That said, I also find it to have been necessary for a majority of human existence and so understand the impulse.Does a wolf feel pity for their prey? ...or the thrill of the hunt?
Would you starve to death rather than kill a rabbit?I would not.So I taught myself tracking, took the hunter education courses and found that I have an eye for marksmanship with a bow or firearm... and have yet to have to hunt in order to feed my family, but that day may come, and I will be able to, and I will get over my revulsion while taking no pleasure in the act of taking a life to sustain mine and theirs.If it were in defence of myself or my family I know that I would even take a human life and lose no sleep over it.There would be no pleasure in the deed but does that make me a psychopath, or does it make me a realist?-- 2 fries shy of a happy meal, Jul 12 2023 [2 fries], a realist harvests animals for food where necessary, taking only what is required, taking the right individuals (not nursing mothers or mothers on the nest) at the right time in the animal's life cycle. A 'good' hunter honours the life taken for nourishment, and gives something in return (tobacco offering, protection of habitat).
//ash-oles// I'm speaking here about psychopaths who thrill kill. This includes murderers such as trophy hunters and raccoons.-- Sgt Teacup, Jul 12 2023 random, halfbakery