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Moon 2
another moon to sweep junk, etc. | |
Why does the moon have more craters than the earth? Yeah, erosion, plate tectonic, blah blah... but one of the reasons is that most stuff hits the moon before it even reaches us. Jupiter also sweeps up stuff (remember the comet impacts?)
Have a smaller moon in lower earth orbit. All the space junk
in its path would either collide or bounce off into space or burn in reentry. It will also be a platform for satellites and an orbiting billboard.
We like the Moon
http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/
[Dub, Jun 30 2007]
Map: Space Junk
http://discovermaga...nov/map-space-junk/
[nuclear hobo, Jul 02 2007]
Satellite orbits
http://science.nasa...ck/3d/JTrack3D.html
NASA J-Track 3D [nuclear hobo, Jul 02 2007]
Not-So-Brilliant Pebbles
Not-So-Brilliant_20Pebbles
[nuclear hobo, Jul 02 2007]
One proposal of how to rid space debris....
http://www.answers.com/topic/laser-broom
laser-broom [quantum_flux, Jul 02 2007]
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Ok, I am bunning the second paragraph. I think the first is a bit dodgy. |
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But two moons would be cool. |
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The earth gets bombarded equally as much as the moon, but most of the stuff burns up in the atmosphere or lands in an ocean. |
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but consider that everything that hits the moon will never hit the earth. |
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//one of the reasons is that most stuff hits the moon//
The Earth, being a hundred times more massive, get far more junk coming in than its little ole moon. After all, the moon was created by a massive collision with the Earth. |
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Lot's of potential here, especially for tidal flooding. Eclipses would get much more interesting, too. |
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The Moon could ordit in reverse - west to east - or longitudinally, appearing and disappearing over the poles. |
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But what about the tides and all the other things that depend on gravitational pull? |
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No problem. Let's mix it up a little bit. |
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Idischler, you're the king of exaggeration. The earth is only 6 times the mass of the moon, not "a hundred times"( I guess it looks that small in the sky)
My new moon would be less massive, causing no tidal disturbance. It won't need to have gravity to attract the space junk, just knock it out if it's path making a clean corridor around the planet.
It could even be a large umbrella like shield on the same trajectory as the ISS, stopping junk from hitting the station. |
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The gaps in Saturns rings have been created by small moons "sweeping up", so it's not really a terrible idea. What do you plan to make this moon out of? |
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//My new moon would be less massive, causing no tidal disturbance.// |
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Then it would not be a very effective junk magnet. |
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//What do you plan to make this moon out of?// |
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Nuclear waste is not only undesirable here on earth but also quite dense. That makes it harder to get into orbit but more effective as a sweeper. |
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Moon 2 could have a nice glow to it, though critical mass may become a problem as the moon is being assembled. |
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//Idischler, you're the king of exaggeration. The earth is only 6 times the mass of the moon, not "a hundred times"( I guess it looks that small in the sky)//
You have facts that are new to science. (Could you be confusing mass with surface gravity?) |
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Everybody: The Earth is almost exactly 81 times as massive as the Moon. As for worries about tides, what tides? A constructed Moon (presumably from lunar or asteroid stuff?) would not have to be so massive as to generate tides, even if it is in a closer orbit. I like this idea and would like to see more development of it. . . |
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No seriously, a moon is a natural satellite. Anything man made by definition would not be a moon. |
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I vote that we listen to [Moonguy]. He seems to know what he's on about. |
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first off, making a moon...hmm...out of
what, quebec? getting into orbit would be
a tad bit tricky...messing with tides...do we
currently have a problem with getting hit
by space debris? last time i checked, there
are more urgent threats to humanity,
including, but not limited to, global
warming, holes in the ozone layer, and
bloggers |
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//a moon is a natural satellite. Anything man made by definition would not be a moon.// |
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Or, from the second noun definition: "any object resembling a moon". There is also the verb form, which is entirely manmade. |
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I have issues with any definition that goes 'X= things similar to X'. I'm pretty sure that in a number of iterations, that would make everything a moon. Kevin Bacon especially. |
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If you put Kevin Bacon in orbit around the earth he would be a moon. |
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Not if you send him up with trousers on. |
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I really love [Dub]'s link! and I really love the moon, but 2 moons might be cool, but I don't think we should put more stuff up there, so I'll stay neutral because I can't make up my mind. |
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This space junk you intend to clear up, would that be mostly old stuff we've put up there? Therefore, roughly in the same orbital region of most current satellites etc. So if it were good at sweeping up the rubbish, wouldn't it also sweep up the none rubbish? [-] |
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Is there really that much of a problem with space rubbish anyway? Lets just make a second moon for the fun of it - at an orbit safe from our satellites. And why would it have to be made of rock or anything heavy and costly to get to space, why not have a very large hollow beach ball structure - maybe with some mass fixed in the center for stability of keeping its orbit! |
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If you turn this around and put more junk in space, like Not-So-Brilliant Pebbles [link], you would have an effective missile defense shield. |
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The Laser-Broom [link] is clearly a ploy to develop an anti-satellite laser weapon. |
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Orbital debris will become a significant problem if/when a space elevator is constructed. Anything travelling towards Earth is almost as unlikely to hit the moon as a lunar eclipse. |
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Everbody: im sorry to have to state the obvious but the moon is blocking far less than 1% of earthbound asteroids and comets. Look up into the sky and compare -the size of the moon- to everywhere else you possibly look(up down sideways) and that is the relationship between earthbound asteroids blocked by the moon and earthbound asteroids. Sorry but your plan to make a asteroid moon blocker would not in the least help to save earth from a asteroid. though another moon would be awesome. |
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It's not quite that simple, [yuridasuks]. Objects impacting with the earth generally don't approach in a straight line, most are about to miss earth but get caught in its gravity well and spiral in. A proportion of these will transfer to the moon's gravity well as they spiral and impact with the moon instead. |
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Of course, it's not even that semi-simple, in fact celestial mechanics is extremely complex and I wouldn't even know how to start to calculate the ratio. |
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By the way, your moniker is either very funny or childish and insulting. I haven't decided which yet. |
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//most are about to miss earth but get caught in its gravity well and spiral in.//
Nope, that's impossible. If they don't hit the atmosphere or break up due to tidal interactions, there's no "spiraling in." To spiral in you'd have to lose energy, and there's no mechanism for that. |
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So [yuridasuks] was right? |
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//So [yuridasuks] was right?//
Yep. The two factors are area and mass, and since the mass is a bit more than 1% of the earth, and the area is less than 8% of earth's, the chance of something hitting the moon is less than 1% of it hitting the earth. The only reason the moon has more craters is they haven't been erased by erosion and volcanic activity. |
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All we have to do is wait for another
gigantic flaming ball of space evil to be
thwarted from devouring all life in the
universe by a supreme being of light. |
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We'll get flying cars first, of course, so I
wouldn't hold your breath. |
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You could put a giant date and time display on it. |
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