h a l f b a k e r yI think this would be a great thing to not do.
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<imagining the Venn diagram of the groups {people who would
really, really like to go around hugging strangers} and
{people who ought to be allowed to go around hugging
strangers}...> |
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//Touch children and help them to grow up// Wasn't this tried already by Jimmy Saville and his like? |
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I don't agree, xenzag. Saville & his ilk were/are predators who prey on the weak & the innocent/naieve. The last thing they want is for their victims to 'grow up'. |
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I am all for hugging and yes we need this. Of
course with all the perversion and pedophiles
today people would shut this idea down. it would
ruin it to say you must pass a normal test or some
thing because hugs should be spontaneous and
flowing from the heart. I’m giving you a heart
shaped Croissant And a virtual hug. |
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//with all the perversion and pedophiles today// There are no more today than any other era. Just our amount of fear has changed. |
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// There are no more today than any other era. // |
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I don't know. Did the Boy Scouts for example have such an absolutely disgusting number of abuse cases before modern politics forced them to change their policies? |
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I actually don’t know how many perverts existed in
each era, but it is widely talked about these days.
I agree that there is too much fear today, but one
needs to be prudent. There is child theft, child
trafficking, child slavery etc. Maybe there always
was, but to what proportion of the population? |
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We have a spaniel for this. |
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// Maybe there always was, but to what proportion of the population?// |
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If it follows literally every other trend of evil behavior there is far less. I'm not going to look into it because the topic depresses me. |
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With the Boys Scouts & Catholic Church & such, I suspect it's a
bit of "increasing abuse" but mostly "increasing reporting" of
abuse. |
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//Touch children and help them to grow up// |
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It's at times like this that I truly miss [Max] & [8th] :( that I'd
sit
back & wait to see what they'd make of that b4 venturing a
response of my own :) |
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[4and20] Which policies would those be, exactly? |
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But yes, the boy scouts have records of abuse complaints
going back many decades. |
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Modern policies including never leaving children alone with
a single adult have definitely reduced such abuse. |
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I wonder if it would be as effective if this were done
by some sort of humanoid-looking robot? |
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Sexual abuse is a cycle reproduced by the formerly abused. I don't really believe that the majority of Boy Scout abuse cases go back very far in time, but it's convenient for media sources to imply the same without directly making that claim. |
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See link. They have [had] records of abusers going back to
basically the
founding. Child sexual abuse is not a new thing, it's been
going on throughout human history. |
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Many of the early records were destroyed once the
individuals were considered either to old to be a threat, or
likely dead, but they still had records of abusers from the
late 40s. |
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One decidely one-sided account claims that the Boy Scouts changed their policies in an attempt to root out pedophiles in 1978, only to be more or less forced to rescind their policies in 2015. Someone with more time than I have could look at the difference between abuse ratios during the preventative policy vs. before and after. |
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As a perfunctory sidenote, I have no great love or interest in the U.S. Boy Scouts organization. I find it telling and loathsome that the man heading the organization when policies changed in 2015 was Robert Gates, form Secretary of Defense, naturally, giving chilling support to the theory that the Boy Scouts has a kind of military preparation purpose. |
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//giving chilling support to the theory that the Boy Scouts
has a kind of military preparation purpose// |
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Nothing secret about that [4], not a theory, at least at the
time of their origins, though any original purpose isn't
necessarily what they are now of course. |
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BP basically created the
original Scouting movement around 1908 with the express &
stated purpose of fitting boys with appropriate
skills (self sufficiency, respect for their elders / the chain
of
command, physical fitness etc along with basic outdoor
survival skills) for later army service in what was
still then the British Empire // though he & society at large
would have
considered it wholesome rather than anything sinister back
then. |
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Phrased a little differently even you might consider it all a
wholesome endeavour even now. |
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How does "helping kids to better socialise
& providing them with the life skills to better enjoy,
participate
& succeed in society'" grab you? :) |
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As much as anything else I'm sure that's ^ how he saw it. |
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Yeah it seems like there's worse things your kids can
get wrapped up in. |
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Personally I just saw it as a whole lotta fun. |
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But now, reading down this thread I feel a little insulted,
seemingly it's all so prevalent & I never got molested once!
[Shrugs]
musta just been an ugly kid I guess. |
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Or maybe it's just different in the US, or just different times. |
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Maybe try the ones with the Catholic troop leaders? |
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Alas your kind advice has come too late [Ray], I suspect I'm
sufficiently past my pre-prime (being far past my prime) to be
of even the most passing
of interest to them now. |
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Always the bare minimum one should try
something b4 deciding if you like it or not, or so uncle
Bertram always insisted. |
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Neither, a career politician. |
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We fear his belief in the facility
of threes did for him in the end, he was found hanging by a
tie from his hotel room door with two other stretched ties
beside on
the floor. |
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Controlling ones sexual desires is a down psychology development. Emotional control. |
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I really want a society emotionally advanced enough that this idea and the freedom for little children such they can run around naked without care or abandon. |
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Then again, the normal distribution says, there will always be anomalies we all have to protect against. |
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These annotations remind me of why my fabric blend of
moleskin and polyester for children's clothing never took off.
It may have been a marketing mistake to call it Child's
Moleyester |
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I'm just happy the HB isn't so drawn into the hate mob that this idea wasn't boned into oblivion just for suggesting anyone should ever touch a child. |
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[AusCan] I do like a pun with a lengthy lead-up |
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I have a theory about that: after decades of living with
the idea that being judgmental was the worst possible
thing (except racism), people discovered some time
around 1990 that it was still OK, after all, to be
judgmental about child-molesters, and so they poured
into that one category all of their pent-up desire to judge
people (especially if they were, themselves, vulnerable to
being judged by others as racist). |
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In the mid-1990s I was living just outside Portsmouth, just
around the time when an angry mob attacked the home
of a paediatrician, not far from where I was living,
because they were genuinely too ignorant to know the
difference between paediatrician and paedophile. I was
very aware of this at the time, because I'd received
verbal abuse from strangers in the street accusing me of
paedophilia (because ... I was not from round there? I
dressed funny? I was never seen with a girlfriend?) |
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But I don't think any of those people hang around the
half-bakery ... do they? |
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//genuinely too ignorant// |
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They might have been (not that I'm sure I'm
remembering the same incident // or if there was an
actual
attack involved?), certainly was the tabloids
angle (who I never
believe about anything these days) but could as easily have
been a
case of Chinese whispers rather than ignorance of the
meaning of the words, though I have known
people genuinely that ignorant. |
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Feels like an urban myth now even
remembering
having read it then doesn't it. |
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//Did you see that angry mob// |
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The reports in that instance may be exaggerated [a1] &
conflated with others but that doesn't change the fact it
does happen, though I'd wager as often as not the
perpetrators know it's not true & are just using it as an
excuse (b4 the event) to kill someone or (hoping for a more
lenient sentence) claim to have believed it after. |
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Here's an example of one for you <link>. |
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Probably not the
best example as I'm guessing that one was mostly down to
good old fashioned racism but I can't be bothered to go
trawling old
news articles for more for you. |
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It would be far too depressing. |
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Suffice to say it does happen & it's not as rare as we might
like. |
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Given your link I think you already know the answer to that, it
would seem his details on this 'specific' event are muddled to
the point they're as much urban myth as truth //
as would mine have been had I tried to write it down without
checking back on old news articles first :) |
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