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The Titanic should be re-built at its yard
of original construction, Harland and
Wolff
in Belfast, where all the plans and
patterns
are still preserved. This would be a
fantastic project,
guaranteed to catch international public
interest and revive the fortunes of the
great yard.
Obviously
this would cost a lot of money,
but Famous Last Rivets will take care of
that. There are 3 million rivets available,
each waiting to receive an individual,
miniature inscription, stamped into its
head, after it has been securely
hammered
into place.
I estimate (completely off the top of my
head) 300 million dollar construction
cost,
meaning that rivets need to sold at an
average price of 100 each.
With a starting price of just 30 dollars for
a below the water line site, rising to 500
for a more prominent position, owning a
piece of the most famous ship that ever
sailed, is quite affordable.
Each contributor would receive a
certificate of fractional ownership, along
with a chart mapping the position of
their
own unique rivet. They would also be
entitled to a discounted ticket on the
luxury liner's re-born maiden voyage.
Titanic
http://www.titanic-.../MGY_Tech_Facts.htm
statistics [xenzag, Jan 22 2008]
Titanic flaulty rivets
http://www.csititanic.com/media-abc.php
one of a number of sites that discuss the metal used in the rivets [xenzag, Jan 23 2008]
Titanic Pics
http://www.euronet....eesree/construc.htm
most excellent set of photographs [xenzag, Jan 23 2008]
Titanic's Prime Mover
http://www.encyclop...ic_prime_mover.html
[angel, Jan 23 2008]
The A1 Steam Locomotive Trust
http://www.a1steam.com/help3.html
"We have found that many people wish to support the construction of the locomotive by providing the finance for a specific part. A Dedicated Donation gives them the opportunity to do so." [angel, Jan 23 2008]
Titanic II
http://www.cnbc.com...t-sail-in-2018.html
Coming sooner than you thought. Without rivets, though. [lurch, Feb 11 2016]
Statue of Titanic's captain in Lichfield
https://upload.wiki...org.uk_-_403721.jpg
..local guy screws up spectacularly etc [not_morrison_rm, Feb 12 2016]
[link]
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So, let's see - "It wa a major disaster the first time round, so let's rebuild it!" Sounds like a strategy from the Bush team. |
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Though I can't help but feel that the Airbus A-380 is a new Titanic in the making. One of those goes down, jammed to the gills economy style, and it could easily match the death toll. |
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Sounds good to me. We are going the
same way as the Greeks - we'll end up
worshipping our ancestors who had the
balls and talent to do great things like
Concorde, moon-landings, The Titanic and
the Sinclair Black Watch. |
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I like the idea of the rivet sponsorship, but maybe it could be used to build a new ship rather than rebuild an old one? |
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There's plenty of money to build new
ships already, though. |
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The Titanic cost about £1.5 million to
build at the time, which is something
like £600 million (or $1.2 billion) today,
at a straight conversion. |
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I suspect that many things are relatively
cheaper now (eg, through automation
and heavy machinery). On the other
hand, things involving craftsmanship
will be relatively more expensive. |
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A modern cruise ship of similar size
would cost about £100 million (200
million in Monopoly money), and I'd
guess that three times that amount
would be a low estimate for a Titanic
replica, if it were a true replica. |
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On balance, therefore, somewhere
around £500m or $1bn is probably
closer to the mark. |
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Incidentally, the rivets would be priced
in sterling, not dollars. |
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The British love a failure, especiially a spectacular one. Captain Scott, Isandlwhana, the Somme, the Milennium Dome. We say, "Go for it !" |
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....discovering America.... |
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I figured the cost in dollars because of
the great interest in all things Titanic
from the American market. |
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...trying to keep America... |
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While you're at it you could sell naming rights for icebergs floating around in the North Atlantic. |
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//"It wa a major disaster the first time round, so let's rebuild it!"//
Let's get this straight. Titanic did not sink because she was poorly designed or poorly built. She sank because she was skippered by an arrogant Captain. Certainly there were some shortcomings in her design but they no more caused her to sink than a cheap stereo caused Princess Diana's Mercedes to crash. |
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Actually it seems like one of the main
contributory causes of the demise of
the Titanic was the German metal used
in the rivets, which has been
subsequently proved to be flawed. This
resulted in many rivets popping out
under stress, and opening the long
gash that crossed a number of
bulkheads. (see link) The NEW Titanic
will of course address this issue, along
with several other design flaws, and will
be a most excellent and beautiful
vessel. |
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All that accepted, but had it not been for the Captain's inaction she wouldn't have hit the iceberg in the first place, and when she did, it's doubtful that she would have survived much longer than she did. Remember also that she carried only half as many lifeboats as necessary.
Incidentally, her rudder and stern frame were built about half a mile from my house. |
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<somewhat irrelevant pub-style aside>
Apparently, had the captain had his
thinking cap on, he could have saved
everyone in one of two ways. (a) he had
plenty of time to sail aft (reversewards)
towards another ship which they could
see on the horizon; the ship would have
had to be abandoned no sooner than if
he'd stayed in place, and they would
have reached, or been very close to, the
second ship by the time they had to
abandon. (b) they could have used the
ship's loading cranes to transfer
passengers, blankets etc onto the
iceberg itself; they had plenty of time,
and the necessary ability to maneuver,
to do so, and the iceberg would have
provided a stable if chilly haven where
everyone could have survived. </sipsa> |
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Re your (a): it's been shown that Titanic was at least ten miles from Californian, and it's unlikely that she would have survived long enough to reach. On top of which, her turbine didn't operate in reverse, and the reciprocating engines were intended only for low-speed manouvering. |
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//Re your (a)// Well, that's the problem
with bub-style asides. My
understanding was that the central
engine (which scavenged low-pressure
steam from the others) was the non-
reversible maneuvering engine, and that
the main engines could give a decent
turn of speed in reverse. In the time
available they could have limped a good
many miles. At any rate, the time they
spent sitting around before abandoning
ship could have been used to get them
closer to a rescuer, and would have
been better spent than just sitting there
pondering and signalling. |
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UB: I'm guessing you haven't seen the designs for stand-up seats. 747s didn't carry nearly so many passengers as they do now, when they first started out.
MB: Likewise, many deaths would theoretically have been averted had Tower 2 of the World Trade Center been evacuated immediately. It's always easy to come up with disaster mitigation with hindsight, the trick is to do it at the time, or preferably ahead of time. One straightforward way to avoid air disasters is not to put so many people in one plane, or so many planes in the sky. |
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[MB], see (linky) for more than you will ever need to know about Titanic's engines. |
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Guildford Cathedral was partially subsidised by selling bricks to pilgrims, locals and anyone else they could persuade to buy them. For a small donation you could buy a brick, write your name on it in chalk and hand it to the brickies for laying. |
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The insides of the walls have thousands of names on them still. |
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Why stop at rivets? Each room could have a name in addition to its number, the engines could be named (I would imagine that most ship engines are nicknamed by the engineers anyway). Lifeboats, deckchairs. |
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<makes a bolt for the door> |
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Fool that I am, it's just occurred to me that a project very similar to this is being undertaken not 100 yards from my home. The A1 Steam Locomotive Trust are, for reasons best known to themselves, building the first new main line steam locomotive to be built in UK for nearly 50 years. The venture is being funded partly by individuals sponsoring a part (linky). So pretty much baked in concept, though obviously not widely known to be so. |
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If we're going to rebuild the Titanic, can we do the Hindenburg while we're at it? |
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And the American sub-prime lending
market? |
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As indeed do annotations. |
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Yes, people will rush to be the first on a replica of a ship that sank on its first voyage... I think this is a good idea!
(Well, if its the exact same plans...) |
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So we need to hurry while there's still icebergs? |
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//Though I can't help but feel that the Airbus A-380 is a new Titanic in the making.// |
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Or as Amy Poller on SNL said, it landed in New York, "completing its trans-Atlantic tap dance on the razor's edge of insanity" |
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It's not the "larger plane" it's the "inadequately designed and debugged die-by-wire system" that bothers passengers..... |
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People to the east of the Atlantic hear more of Airbus' PR, those on the west hear more of Boeing's. |
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ahem....(assumes schoolish posture) the
idea is about a scheme to fund the
re-building of the Titanic, not a Boeing
versus
Airbus debate. I'm moving all your free
rivet allocations to the bilge area as
punishment. |
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\\Though I can't help but feel that the Airbus A-380 is a new Titanic in the making. One of those goes down, jammed to the gills economy style, and it could easily match the death toll.\\ Far fewer icebergs. |
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A bun for the concept. I'd give another if I could for avoiding any puns based on the word 'riveting'. |
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I'd want to travel with my family and I'm
not sure we could fit, comfortably, on a
rivet. |
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We belive the jury may still be out on that one. Check back after the next major War of Religion. |
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If I bought a rivet would I get sued when the new titanic sinks? |
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Although I would have plenty of dancing room, Aquinas made no mention of the family of angels. The difference between the point of a pin and the head of a rivet may provide adequate margin for a wife and five cats. |
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// Aquinas made no mention of the family of angels // |
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One of the many things he convenently kept quiet about. |
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// may provide adequate margin for a wife and five cats // |
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Location, location, location..... |
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//Have Americans still got the jitters about September 11 to such an extent?// |
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I'm not sure. I think it was supposed to be a joke. |
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"Hurry, Charlotte...you know we must be abord in ten minutes...we can barely make it if we leave immediately." |
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"Oh, Daddy, you know I positively despise these long sea voyages. And why do we have to take this replica of that one that sank all those decades ago. Do they have replica bathtubs rather than modern showers?" |
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"Charlotte, my dearest....we must be among the first to travel on this first voyage of the new museum ship...take up your hem, darling, it's about to drag on that wet floor....we will be reliving a long bygone era." |
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"Oh, would that be the era when women were treated like slaves...men owned them like they owned cattle?" |
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"Charlotte, you simply must quit being so negative. didn't you see that move about this great ship's first voyage in those days....Were you not romantically charmed by it all?" |
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"Yes, quite charmed and quite chilled, thank you....did the people who built this replica include enough life boats for everyone, this time?" |
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"Darling, the design is an exact replica...right down to the number of life boats.........they have a modern, small, "Life ship" that will follow along with all the modern necessary survival gadgets. The lifeship will sail behind, just over the horizon and will be there to give us any assistance in the very unlikely event the ship should come into disaster." |
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"will we have radar and modern navigation devices?..will we be sailing into ice fields on this first voyage? Will we steam along at a much more reasonable speed for sailing through iceburgs? Will we have people at the helm who will follow instructions this time, should any emergency maneuver be required?" |
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"You truly do read too much, don't you, my dear? |
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"Please, hurry now...The Captain has assured me every precaution has been prepared for...he personally told me this ship is practically unsinkable. Absolutely nothing could possibly go wrong." |
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Nicely written [Blisterbob]. |
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It looks like we need to put up a standardized Halfbakery
disclaimer on some ideas:
"THIS IDEA IS INTENDED AS
HUMOR. ACTUALIZATION WILL RESULT IN INJURY, DEATH,
LIABILITY AND RIDICULE." |
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Yeah, they're doing Titanic II. With welded bulkheads and
more lifeboats and period-appropriate attire. |
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Remember: the bounds of human stupidity are only there to
be exceeded. |
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Linky to one of Lichfield's famous citizens statue, "Iceberg?
What effing iceburg?" etc |
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