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I propose, instead of straight linear demarcations, there could be lobed borders. Think alternating jig-saw lobes but with international lines of definition. This probably wouldn't be implemented where geography is inhospitable to human expansion.
Lobed borders would have an organic look from a
Google prospective and would make putting up walls slightly more difficult, just what is needed in suspicious times.
Knowing human nature, which is to take short cuts, cultures will be mixing on an even and accommodating way therefore advancing all of us. Humanity wants to be more complex and intricate, right?
The future is good.
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Many borders already exist as convolutions. For example on some roads that run from Northern Ireland to the Irish Republic a traveller will pass in and out of each country several times, as the border meanders radomly. This is one of the numerous anomolies that makes such a total nonsense out of the brexit insanity. |
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I was really thinking in populous areas of staunchly different ideals.
Oh right, Ireland. |
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You mean their strategy to take over your planet ? |
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// Humanity wants to be more complex and intricate, right? // |
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Actually, most humans seem to be happy with simplicity. |
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// The future is good. // |
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Ah, good, you've remembered to take your medication today. |
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everyone loves to opine about borders until they find out
that the neighbor's dog is the one that keeps shitting on
their yard. totally biodegradable. |
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"Lobed Borders" have already been well utilised, and
long documented by gerrymandering electoral
constituency drawer-
uppers for a considerable time, often diluting the
voting power of less wealthy individuals to the
advantage of more wealthy individuals. |
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It's moral low ground to draw a line. It's morally higher ground to have an integrated area. I thought making lobes might be practical a go-between. With the scale being three 'No man's land' areas across. |
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The stimulus for the idea was a shot of the Mexican-US border with houses cleaved off with the fence line. Not very organic. |
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It always comes down to the few spoiling it for the majority.
[RayfordSteele] Neither the Palestinians nor the the Israelis can have the high moral ground. |
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As an irrelevant aside, when I was young I was horrified by the
untidiness of geography. My plan (when I became King of
Earth) was to use some earth-moving equipment and convert
the planet into a nice regular chequerboard of alternating sea
and land |
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Humanity at the moment is running about, yelling about inequality of different groups, borders will have to go at some time. I wonder how the numbers crunch, spreading population and resources globally. |
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apologies in advance for sharing a
slightly different interpretation, which is that we have a
duty to...
Get to know the neighbors, galactically. |
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I propose, instead of flat globular demarcations, there
could be odd rebel orbs. Think a random pattern of
perfectly uniform spheres (planets) but so far apart that
there are no international lines. This would need to be
implemented on entire worlds which are inhospitable to
human expansion.
Odd rebel orbs would have a decidedly mechanical look
from a galactic perspective and would make putting up
walls redundant, just what is needed in suspicious times.
Knowing human nature, which has never changed,
cultures will be dividing and fighting each other in an
unfair and uncompromising way therefore risking the
existence of all of us (unless we place each faction on its
own Odd Rebel Orb at least a dozen light-years away from
all others). Humanity wants to sabotage itself constantly,
right?
The future is Good (which may be interesting). |
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But odd rebel orbs seems like such a dim future. Surely
there is a
way to do both (have odd rebel orbs covered in lobed
borders).
As far as numbers, if I recall the total global per capita
GDP is around $15k per person per year, so if it were
distributed equally, globally, everyone would get about
$1k total per month for however long it lasted. Seems OK
if it's sufficient to know I'm doing the right thing.
If all borders go, including individual property borders,
then the obvious thing to do is to rent out my neighbor's
sofa on AirBnB. My neighbor is a smart person so they will
probably think to rent out my sofa on AirBnB too. So I'll
have some random (or several random) people sleeping
on my sofa and paying rent to my neighbor. Seems like a
very interesting social experiment.
There's a frontier saying I've heard: "Good Fences Make
Good Neighbors". But times are very different now. |
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[sinctown] Money as a responsibility-free border. Back in the day was a fence just another form of communication rather than responsibility avoidance? |
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I wish someone would build a self-sustaining Mars colony,
since there's an entire Universe of planets out there that
humans could conquer and populate. I don't know how to
balance the responsibility to build a self-sustaining Mars
colony with the responsibility to care for everyone in
need. It seems that the Mars colony would, at least at
first, have to exclude most people who would want to live
there, for it would be difficult living (mining and building
on Mars) and terribly expensive to go there, so expensive
that all but the rich could not afford to go. But perhaps I
am too pessimistic. Practically speaking, no rich person
would be crazy enough to risk building a Mars colony
unless they expected it to make a lot of money which
could then be given away as charity. There is a clear duty
to care for people in need regardless of borders. A Mars
colony, hypothetically, could accept an unlimited number
of people able to build complex life-support machinery
while living in fragile bubble-tents. People unable to build
complex life-support machinery or live without
accidentally making holes in the bubble-tents would be a
moral challenge for the Mars colony, especially if the
number of people in need vastly outnumbered the
number of people in the Mars colony. I hope improving
technology makes essential items for food, education and
health so cheap as to be free for anyone who wants them. |
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I misread the title as “lubed borders” and thought thus might be
something to make tectonic plates slide last one another more
easily |
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[sinctown] Stepping out into the universe is collective thing, for the benefit of all on earth. A bit like the internet, a shared achievement. One group shouldn't really foot the bill which will also make it easier to be more humanitarian in ideals. |
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[hippo] Because lobed tectonic plates definitely wouldn't slide.
The world culture would be a bit different, if payment for crossing a border was to have to have an orgasm. An imposed sex positive world with the mentality towards sex of healthy sex workers. But long haul flights would be even more stretching and holidays would start and finish with a happy ending. |
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would not //orgasm borders// cause many people to act
wrongly? |
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Only those insufficiently orgasmed. Under a good orgasm, I don't think I have any control in any particular way at all. |
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But back to the reality, of the idea. Borders would look more colloidal, more natural on maps than [Max]'s polygon dicing. The moving wet bits, we all really have no control over, he can dice to his heart's content. |
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