h a l f b a k e r yI think this would be a great thing to not do.
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Jim has been hearing a lot about 3d printers ... and it got him thinking again.
He proposes a machine capable of removing a single atom from a block (comprised of the same). Its a laser (edit or particle accelerated) milling machine ... and it can produce a fabulous egg.
The egg sculptured in this
mill is as detailed as is possible. No other method can achieve any greater detail. Its also quicker to produce in this mill than in an additive machine.
Jim is confident that even though this level of detail has been achieved using additive methods (and that is pretty impressive) it is only a mater of time before the laser milling machine sits in my garage...
(edited to suit mr meche)
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Doesn't Jim have a garage of his own? |
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So it cuts away one atom at a time. |
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How many atoms per second can it address and remove? |
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//though this level of detail has been achieved using addative methods// |
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In monolayer items only, and only on atomically smooth surfaces, at that. |
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// laser milling machine //
In order to get a beam capable of impacting single atoms, you would need, with theoretically perfect optics, a hard x-ray laser. In order to get said beam with real world optics, you would most likely need a gamma ray laser. Since, to the best of my knowledge, the highest energy currently possible is soft x-ray, we're a long way from being able to produce this sort of tool. |
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The aforementioned monatomic construction was achieved through the use of a mechanical probe to, put crudely, drag atoms around. This approach is not able to remove atoms from a bonded material, just to re-arrange loose atoms on the surface of a material. |
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[marked-for-category-change] to whatever category includes "something that does <x>". |
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Monatomic construction would be quite energy intensive/wasteful with all the de/reattaching of individual atoms. |
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Which came first, the atom or the egg? |
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I see that your a long way from appreciating this idea... |
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In simple terms the fabulous egg represents the pinicle of achievement (by anything, bar nothing, etc) - with regards to detail in sculpture. This is perhaps more than fabulous ... but that term is qwerky so I like it. |
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With regards to the construction of the milling machine - addressing a single atom has been achieved... as has imaging individual atoms. |
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Perhaps a particle accelerator is better - but this is not important. |
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Incidentally I am not sure that I would create a cutting program to remove individual atoms when it is possible to remove billions at a time... |
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Well repetition is boring and infantile ... noise is, perhaps more, disagreeable... |
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All of the above and an image perhaps - with atomic structure approximated where materials would change. |
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A particle accelerator is worse from a single atom
milling perspective (kinetic energy transfer is not
that precise). |
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I fully understand the concept is to make an
absurdly intricate sculpture on the model of
Faberge Imperial eggs. I also am completely aware
of the current state of the art in nano and pico
scale arrangement of atoms. No question that we
are a long way from being able to make this
sculpture. The state of the art allows for the
atom by atom arrangement of atoms on the
surface of a perfectly flat plate. It does not allow
for the three dimensional arrangement of atoms
and it likewise does not allow for the large scale
removal of individual atoms from a substrate. |
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I would strongly suggest that "make an sculpture
as intricate as the state of the art allows" is hardly
a new or unique idea, nor is attempting to
anticipate the state of the art by decades at
least. |
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marked for tagline: // I see that your a long way from appreciating this idea.// |
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// make an sculpture as intricate as the state of the art allows |
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Not going to argue semantics --- but I never said that! Paraphrasing correctly would be "a more accurate sculpture cannot exist". |
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Anyway have moved on from this... a more pleasing egg can be produced by vapour deposit and laser vapourisation. With regards to vapourisation what is best is uniform elevated temperature, a vacuum chamber and the application of a precise amount of heat precisely (edit for mr meche either by the application of kinetic or electro magnetic energy). |
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The vacuum chamber is desirable because it lowers the input energy required to achieve vapourisation cf boiling point (vapourisation temperature) at altitude... And incidentally thats good for the environment. Uniform heat of the substrate also lowers the amount of additional energy required to achieve vapourisation --- but thats not so good for the environment. |
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Now I understand that electrons are responsibile for creation of chemical bonds and storage of heat in molecules --- which means that application of a precise amount of heat (precisely) is exactly what is required to mill an individual atom. |
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Now I prefer the application of electro magnetic energy since this can be applied by focusing additional energy through the substrate, i.e. a hollow can be milled out of a solid given a suitable channel for the energised material. And incidentially the "bits" in a laser mill never need to be sharpened --- which is also good for the environment. |
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You can imagine the egg as being a green ovaloide silicon chip (hollow inside and painted all over)... |
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As the ocean cuts bays and outcrops, the right solution and score would be needed. |
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