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This is a waterpark at the beach of some remote tropical island.
Everything is made safe and it's a paradise.
The catch is you cannot ever leave.
So these people who voluntered live in aquatic conditions as much as possible.
They build their own environment to suit them and basically just muck
about in
the water having a good time with the dolphins.
Scientists invent ways to make the aqua environment have the most positive
effect possible with special stimuli.
After many generations a new aquatic species emerges
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Fantasy Island..."The plane" |
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I'll be your first tenant. Thanks [zeno]. Need beach
bad. I'm landlocked between never ending cornfields,
again. My childhood nightmares realized. |
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(SENDS A HUGE HUG AND WET SLOPPY KISS TO
SKINFLAPS, HI BUDDY!!!) |
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This is an add on to aquagenetic engenering by teslaberry |
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I get that. But his Veronesque idea is too long to read
this early in the morning. Need Reader's Digest
version. |
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//Reader's Digest version.// [marked-for-deletion] selective breeding, |
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and that other:general thing is getting old - if you can't figure out, or ask, how to avoid scrolling through the table, then scroll through the table - the categories are useful to other h'bakers to, among other things, determine prior art. |
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I'm past the age of breeding, but I do have to wait till
I get to a certain saturation level of caffeine before I
climb Mt. Everest, if you know what I mean. |
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Many times I have remarked how hard it is for me to find the right category. This time I forgot.
But now you say there is a way to avoid the scrolling through the seemingly endless categories?
Please tell me how to choose the right category for my ideas, I'll never post in other general again. |
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i cut my post in half to make it easier to read. |
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i hope that helps, would love to hear some
comments. |
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i dinged your post zeno because this is more of an
implicit criticism of the idea i suggested which is
TO USE RATS first. |
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putting humans on a water park for thousands of
years is not sustainable, your experiment will go
broke before it makes ANY progress. |
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consider it takes at least 17 years on average to
have a generation of babies. |
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you will need at least 500 generations of natural
selection to make any progress. at 8500 years ,
that's way too slow. even if it were 50
generations. 850 years is way to slow. |
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if you had 1 billion dollars you couldn't guarantee
the experiment yields any fruit over that time 850
years. |
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even assuming a stable global environement in
which your investment money provides a stable
grant funding. |
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in fact any more than 1 generation is realistically a
problem because you cannot show experimental
success in any major amount of time. |
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so the progress must all come out in the
predictability of the first generation===if you can
describe it this way. here's what I mean; |
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YOU NEED TO GET THIS EXPERIMENT to show some
progress with MANY MOTHERS ALL AGREEING TO
PROVIDE FERTILIZED SPECIMENS IN ONE
GENERATION. |
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meaning you have to know enough to genetically
manipulate A substantial number of embryos , and
observe them going through neo-natal
development and of course select IN the ones
that look like they are showing 'progress during
their third trimester. most modified embryos
won't even make it to the third trimester and for
those that do most of those won't be fit for
birthing even. and amongst those fit for birthing
they won't show neo-natal promise for fitness in
the aquatic environment. |
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you will have to mercy kill all of the fetus'es until
you get the one that you are ready to ethically
bring into this world and commit to treating like a
human being even if it does have developmental
defects. meaning showing it kindness and care. |
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a tens of thousands of women can be used to
produce a selected out small army of experimental
sea-humans. and eventually one of those babies,
will prove to be the FIRST of his new race by
demonstrating his superior skills in the water as a
child. Of course, you will still have to train all
these sea-humans as if they were evolved to live
in the sea, meaning as nice and humanely as you
must treat them, you must still push their limits in
the water FROM BIRTH. and some might even die (
and that is where it gets MOST unethical , if you
weren't already uncomfortable with killing many
fetuses ....but hey , it's for
science!.....shudder...) |
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so at the end of the day, you are going to raise an
army of selected babies as if they were baby
otters, or baby aquatic mammals , MORE OR LESS.
and the few that show true promise will be the
result. |
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to even think this could be possibly---you would
need a substantial amount of data about the
process by which mammals have already
demonstrated natural evolutionary success of their
biological and genetic codes, and try and mimic it
in as short a time as possible. |
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that's the most ethical yet PRACTICAL way to do
this. |
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and come to think of it this isn't really even
feasible until you already have an artificial womb
that can be used in a predictable fashion---
separately from the mother herself ----to conduct
the experiment at scale. |
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it's just not going to work with so many mothers.
pretty impractical and unethical to boot. |
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And most of that could be forgiven if it just had a category. When in doubt, search for ideas similar and see if the categories they use are appropriate. |
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//Many times I have remarked how hard it is for me to find the right category. |
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Well, maybe you can get an category ideas:zeno out of Jutta? |
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clicking the table then punching in a letter will get you to the first entry for that letter. Entering keywords into Search will get you a list of posts; some will be in the category you want; that kills two birds with one stone, since you can check for redundancy. clicking "add" while you're on a post's page will open the Add Post page with the category already set. Several posters have a"list of categories" View. |
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Thaank you FT, that was very helpfull. |
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