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What Would Your Heroes Do?
App where you'd plug in the various people you look up to then ask what they'd do in a particular situation. | |
Pick from a list of people, alive, historical figures and
even
fictional characters. Each would have a database of how
they'd
approach a given situation.
"I've been offered a job that pays more but it's in a
different
state. What would Leif Erikson do? "
"Leif Erikson would explore
this opportunity in a new
land."
"What would Socrates do?"
"Socrates would evaluate the outcomes by which would
provide
the greatest good for yourself, your loved ones and
society."
This would require years of data base management so
you
might
put a few fictional characters in there just for fun.
"I'm starting a new company but my supply chain has
been
interrupted. What would Superman do?"
"Superman would fly around and punch things. He would
do so
while wearing Spandex for some reason, probably
because
Spandex clothing was easier for the cartoonist to draw
not
having folds and creases that would take a lot more time
to
illustrate. Plus Spandex shows of muscles and form
better.
Spandex: not the answer to all your problems, just some
of
them." (Sponsored by Spandex)
ADDITION: The app or website would feature virtual
representations of the figures giving their advice on how
to handle various situations. So you'd say "Einstein,
what's the best toothpaste to use" and he'd say for
instance "I like Colgate".
Answer to "What would Scooby Doo?"
https://www.youtube...watch?v=lV7evRdBTxk
[doctorremulac3, Nov 08 2021]
It would be paired with this idea.
History_20Taught_20...e_20Who_20Made_20It
Virtual representations of the figure would answer your questions. [doctorremulac3, Nov 08 2021]
The sad story of the original Superman.
https://en.wikipedi.../wiki/George_Reeves
What the? [doctorremulac3, Nov 09 2021]
Movies then and now
https://www.youtube...watch?v=oj8JK6c5x3M
Very interesting. He says he's not a movie star, his spandex clad character is. The age of stars is over among other things. [doctorremulac3, Nov 09 2021]
Kurzgesagt: The Egg
https://www.youtube...watch?v=h6fcK_fRYaI
[zen_tom, Nov 10 2021]
[link]
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[8th of 7] would invade the neighbouring state. |
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[MaxwellBuchanan] wouldn't need the extra money, but would
take the job anyway, pocket the salary and despatch the
intercalary twin to impersonate him from time to time in the new
office, because blackmail, or just as a joke; his new "employer"
would be impressed that he kept so busy as to be seldom
available. |
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Don't try these at home, kids. |
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+ It is said that Spartacus and his followers
used kitchen utensils to fight their way to where
the real weapons were stored. So I will take this
hero’s advice and start carrying knives, egg
beaters, and a pizza cutter! At least for now, until
there are mobile electric plugs, so I can use my
blender, toaster and waffle iron as weapons. |
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You know, I was just thinking there is great opportunity for
humorous answers with this thing. |
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There's a Bugs Bunny episode where Bugs is running a
computer that Daffy Duck is consulting for how to get Bugs
Bunny, there's a huge bolder decending on Daffy, her runs to
the computer, types "Huge bolder falling on me, what..
should.. I... do?!?" "Bugs types in (as the computer) "Go
back and take your medicine." Of course Daffy runs back to
the boulder, pops out one of those little clown umbrellas
and gets crushed. (In a funny way of course.) |
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Back when cartoons were actually funny. |
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"Alexa, what would Nikola Tesla do about the energy crisis? Alexa? Alexa?... jeez I think it's dead." |
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Say "Ruh-row" and do that weird thing where he
floats in the air while his feet scramble while making
that woodblock / cowbell sound. (link) |
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No no no... he would do the whole running through a building emerging from completely unexpected doors with Shaggy until the perpetrators mask was revealed... and then Daphne and Fred would recap while we all stare at Velma's boobs. |
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//idea is to extend the memes into an app?// |
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Asking the question is not a new idea. Providing automated
answers is, so far as I know. [+] |
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A diversity of thought often ends up leading to better and
more nuanced decisions that those made by a single
charismatic individual. Therefore I suggest that this be
modified so that it's not asking "What would [person X]
do?" but rather "What would a team made up of [X, Y and Z]
do?".
"Help! My aeroplane is on fire and will surely
crash! What would a team made up of the Dalai Lama, Thor
Heyerdahl, Frida Khalo and Stalin do?" |
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// A diversity of thought often ends up leading to better and more nuanced decisions // |
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This reminds me of the Onion advice column "Ask 10 people at once", where the typed answers are just heavy overstrikes, one on top of another. |
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//My aeroplane is on fire and will surely crash! What would
a
team made up of the Dalai Lama, Thor Heyerdahl, Frida
Khalo
and Stalin do?// |
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The Dalai Lama may take it on the chin (or perhaps not) but
the rest would likely curse you roundly for summoning them
to a
certain death scenario, then (after a bit of
fighting for the parachutes (now insufficient
with four extra
people, cue further recriminations) & questions about
where
the emergency door release is) you'd all die horribly. |
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Damn, that was further than I knew. |
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//What would a team made up of the Dalai Lama, Thor
Heyerdahl, Frida Khalo and Stalin do?"// |
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Isn't that a variation on the kind of joke that has the
formula; A priest a rabbi and an immam walk into a
cheese shop, only more specifically? |
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I'm trying to channel Geoff Bridges' "The Dude" as and
whenever I can, but that's like just my opinion, man. |
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Thought it was pretty clear. The idea is to have an
open source social app where people post
questions to various figures and experts on those
figures weigh in on what that figure would answer.
The What Would Jesus Do example is similar but
it's just a very old idea that's been digitized. It is
not this idea. |
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So it would actually be a sort of social discussion
sight where people would confer with each other
about problems and how various famous figures
would solve them. Those discussions and up votes
of the best answer would create the ongoing
searchable data base. Yes, you'd have the
occasional smug troll like a1 that would try to
wreck the
fun, but that's something all social sites
have to deal with. |
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And yes, there would be joke questions like "What
would a priest a rabbi and an immam order in a
cheese shop?" |
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I could see this actually helping people deal with
real life problems, weigh how different
philosophies could be utilized, maybe get through
some hard times by seeing various ways strong
people would deal with them and get a couple of
different approaches to choose from. |
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I'd add my other idea to have virtual
representations of the people actually having the
conversation. Let me find that link. |
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No. "This would require years of data base
management." covered that. |
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Referring to the virtual representations of the
historical figures "answering" questions and the
example given, somebody would actually research
what kind of toothpaste Einstein used and post it.
It would be a Wikipedia based info input database.
And it could have fun and silly questions as well as
critical life philosophies and crisis management
options. |
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I was sort of joking about this idea but I think it
might be kind of fun and informative, especially
with the addition of the virtual faces actually
talking. |
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//There are plenty of other posts on this site, go troll them// |
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Nooooo! don't! he might pick one of mine & then I'd be sad, I
don't handle trolls very well, hands are too small for their big
thick bodies & they tend to slip on the slime :)) |
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I'll step in for you Skewed. Been standing up to
bullies my whole life. Got the scars to prove it. (But
they do too.) |
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Keep reading this as What Would Your Horses Do? |
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That was the original concept. Turns out they'd do
the pretty much the same thing whether confronted
with ontological or epistemological questions. Walk
around, eat oats, take a dump, that sort of thing. |
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//the anti-hero opinion might be what we really need// |
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Definitely, all being equal (never is, the writers are biased)
the anti-heroes almost always have survival strategies when
needed with a
higher potential for success than a hero in the same
situation. |
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"Hmm.. the lifeboats overloaded & we're going to sink" |
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See how interesting the discussions surrounding the
group database updating of this thing would get? |
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There's another category. What would bad guys do?
Would bad guys survive in a situation good guys
wouldn't? |
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Now we're getting into the deep philosophical waters
here. |
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//See how interesting the discussions surrounding the group
database updating of this thing would get?// |
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Interesting? perhaps, conducive to the psychological &
emotional well
being
of little old ladies who find themselves in overladen
boats after spending time with your app? probably not. |
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I wonder, if given enough general personality parameters,
could you design an AI that behaved roughly like each of
these heros and fudged answers of unpublished holes based
on that? Like what toothpaste Einstein would use probably
isn't available in any material, and it's likely the product
doesn't exist anymore anyway. |
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Throwing them all together into where there's a single
group decision seems like an easy LQR optimization
problem to solve where you lump an aggregate of their
combined personalities and weight factors as necessary.
Getting a group of them to behave independently might be
tougher. |
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[Skewed] I believe the usual answer to that one is: It's
okay Mr. Lama sir, Stalin just jumped out with my backpack. |
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Also, I've never quite understood why superman is
particularly well muscled. A runner/swimmer's build, sure,
but what is he lifting to actually develop muscle? He can
shove planets around without breaking a sweat. |
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As far as the idea, it's heavily pre-heated in SF, ranging
from Rulers advising their successors (Heinlein's Glory Road
is the earliest I can think of), to various Holmes pastiches
using a regenerated Sherlock, to I don't know how many
others. |
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//heavily pre-heated in SF// |
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You forgot all the previous kings, advisors to kings & others
heads in
jars in Worms by Orson Scott card in your list. |
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I've always been
disappointed he never turned that one into a series, always
felt he had a lot of scope for one in that book. |
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Still time I suppose, he's not dead yet, but I rather think
he's stuck a fork in it & moved on. |
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//Also, I've never quite understood why
superman is particularly well muscled. A
runner/swimmer's build, sure, but what is he
lifting to actually develop muscle? He can shove
planets around without breaking a sweat.// |
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Exactly, and see what happens when he takes a
relatively minuscule thing like a locomotive and
stops it by pushing it while his feet smash all the
railroad ties as he stops it from going over a cliff?
He's literally straining with all his might. |
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Did a search of "How much weight can Superman
lift?" Approximately ten trillion pages on the subject. |
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And holy shit! Look at the bizarre story of the
original Superman actor's death! |
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//Did a search of "How much weight can Superman lift?"
Approximately ten trillion pages on the subject// |
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Would have thought that one was fairly straightforward to
answer even if the writers have never explicitly stated a
figure, you just trawl through the back issues & find the
heaviest thing he's ever lifted run the figures or do a search
to
find out how much it weighs & then say "he can lift at least
this
much, & maybe more". |
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// There's another category. What would bad guys do? Would bad guys survive in a situation good guys wouldn't? |
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Now we're getting into the deep philosophical waters here.// |
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Welcome!
We've been waiting for you. There may be some... |
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//Would have thought that one was fairly
straightforward to answer even if the writers have
never explicitly stated a figure// |
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My thought exactly, but going through the pages
looking for a number like "Ten tons" I get pages and
pages of rambling on about the subject. It's a
number, give it and say where you got it. |
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Google pops up: "In fact, the comics have put
Superman's strength at a point where he's able to
lift around 2 billion tons! To put that into
perspective, the Empire State Building is only
365,000 tons!" then they don't say where they got
that. |
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So what did he lift that was 2 billion tons? And
what was he standing on that could hold 2 billion
tons? |
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Now I know at some point that's like asking how
Santa uses reindeer to fly and cover all the houses
he needs to without disintegrating due to the
friction of having to fly at something like a billion
miles per hour but still, if I were a Superman
writer I'd give something reasonably plausible. |
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//if I were a Superman writer I'd give something reasonably
plausible// |
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They already tried reasonably plausible at the beginning,
for a
given value of reasonable, seasoned only lightly with
plausible
(aka "leaps tall buildings in single bound" "as fast as (or was
it
faster than?) a speeding train" etc), but decided they didn't
like it & changed it to what we have now, can fly & able to
turn back time because he's faster
than the speed of light etc. |
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So you don't remember the original super boy, as he was,
originally then [doc]? |
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Oops that was 'leaps tall buildings in a single
bound faster than a speeding bullet
more powerful
than a locomotive' wasn't it, got it a little mixed there,
been a long time [doc] :) |
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I was never a fan of comic superheroes and their
tendency to constantly go over the top. Give me
someone who has just baaarely perhaps the
slightest hint of a power of some kind that isn't the
crux of the story. Much more interesting. |
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//So you don't remember the original super boy,
as he was, originally then [doc]?// |
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I just remember Superman as a boy in the movie.
Picked up a car that fell on somebody or
something.
Was there a Superboy comic as well? That would
have
been brilliant since comics were mostly sold to
boys. |
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And wasn't there a Superdog as well or am I
tripping? |
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//I was never a fan of comic superheroes and their
tendency to constantly go over the top.// |
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Comics served their purpose as throwaway cheap
entertainment for kids back in the day. Their
genesis into the backbone of our entertainment
industry is disturbing because although there have
been a few good ones, super hero movies suck for
the most part. |
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The move from movies with plots like The
Godfather to movies featuring what I call "spandex
punchers" is to a large extent due to Hollywood
wanting to sell to the biggest relatively new
entertainment market on Earth, China. 1.5 billion
potential customers compared for instance to the
US's measly 1/3rd of a billion. |
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The Godfather with its constant bla bla bla
narrative plot isn't going to sell in China, "Spandex
Punchers IV, Revenge Of The Heroes In Tights" is.
Unimportant simple dialog, simple good vs bad
characters, action, punching, lots of flying around,
more
punching and all in tights that doesn't rely on any
cultural links to get across. All cultures understand
spandex and punching, so that's what you're gonna
get. |
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There's a reason that The Godfather opens with
the line: “I believe in America.” It's because that's
what The Godfather is about. It's a movie about
America: American politics, American crime, the
American dream. Now if you were an investor (and
that's who green lights movies) would you want to
make that movie or "Captain Spandex - Universal
Puncher!" to sell in the biggest market, China? |
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But don't listen to me, listen to somebody in the
industry. See the link from an actor who makes his
living as a spandex puncher super hero talking
about how all the great movies of the past
wouldn't be made now. (This guy's my hero) |
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I dunno. These days we do get some occasional good series in
Netflix and such which have enough of a target market to fill
the plot void. |
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Yea, I'm enjoying Squid Games. Very original, minimal
spandex and only sporadic punching. |
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//spandex punchers//
Yeah; I'm hoping (forlornly...) for a plot where the Avengers
(or who-ever) have a problem they CAN'T solve by punching or
blowing shit up. At least some of them are supposed to be
quite intelligent; let them THINK instead of fight for a change! |
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Was it on here that we had ordinaryman? Faster than a stationary bullet, can stop a OO guage train with one hand, can leap over a small dolls house in a single bound, etc. |
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That is if he feels like it. |
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(Sung to the tune of the Spider Man theme) |
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"Average Man, Average Man.
Does the things anybody can. |
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Starts his day, makes his bed.
Makes some toast, out of bread. |
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Look out! (Or don't.)
It's only Average Man." |
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I'm thinking of calling myself "Low Iron Man!" |
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That's a lot of opting out. Maybe more than I'd do unadvised. |
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Pretty sure I saw it on TV in the nineties, if not earlier. |
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