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When you take the oath of office, you understand you will
not
be able to engage in any business that is not recorded and
freely available to the voters who are in charge of the
country.
That means everything. Phone conversations, emails, text
messages, everything. You may have your private
time,
bathroom breaks etc but you are strictly prohibited from
engaging in government business while you're not being
recorded. Getting caught doing so will result in expulsion
from office.
You may however fill out a form to have the information in
certain communications available only to the other branches
of government but you'll have to have a good reason. Check
one of the boxes and describe exactly why you don't want
the
lowly proles who put you in office to know what business
you've elected to engage in while supposedly fulfilling the
duties of that office.
[ ] Matter of national security
[ ] Matter of sexual misconduct
[ ] Matter of influence pedaling or bribery
[ ] Other
This is not a joke, when you do your taxes they ask if you've
received any money from illegal activity. The idea is
presumably that they want to throw another charge in if
you're
stupid enough to say "Yes" on this form, but it's also to let
you
know the government wants their cut of the loot and they're
watching you.
This form lets the politician know "We're watching
everything
you do and we think you're scum."
Inspired by the great idea to have webcams in all
slaughterhouses.
Relevant to the marketplace of ideas
https://www.nbcnews...ndment-s-ncna820646
hmm... [RayfordSteele, Nov 15 2017]
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//taxes [...] illegal activity// |
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If they're being fair about it, illegal income should be taxed at a lower rate, given there's probably a gov't department working against the business. |
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//government officials// sp. "elected officials". |
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// expulsion from office // |
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Would not the simple use of a captive-bolt humane killer applied to the base of the offender's skull be far more useful and cost-effective ? |
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Or indeed a regular ball-peen hammer. |
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Just as long as it ends the target's life efficiently, completely, and very slowly and painfully. |
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Just as lawyers need to assure confidentiality in order to
best serve their clients and get at the real truth of some
matters, politicians need free and frank discussions without
us looking over their shoulder at all times. This would
simply push more of the discussions to the bathrooms and
nightclubs where much of it already happens. |
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Good, they get caught doing that,they go to jail. |
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Like I said, they can apply for permission to have
their "free and frank" discussions keept from their
bosses, the people who voted them into power, but
they will simply be sent to the other branches of
government for review. If for some reason a
congressman thinks it's really important that the
Supreme Court doesn't hear about his meeting with
some big corporation, well, I'd want to know why. |
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We're so used to being enslaved by the ruling class
we actually defend their slimy backroom dealings. |
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Remember Ray, they hate you. They consider you
to be a
pawn in their game and see themselves as a higher
order of life than you. |
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Other than that, they're teriffic people. |
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It just won't work. Use cameras and they'll slip notes under the table. Put cameras there too and they'll use a secret winking language. Forbid blinking and by now you've made it impossible to actually communicate. You could sequester each congressman in a heavily monitored environment and through proxies and encoded messages he would still manage to be corrupt. |
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They try to skirt the system, they go to prison. |
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They might win sometimes, but it only takes
getting
caught once to be banned from political office for
ever. |
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And don't give them too much credit for being
clever. These are not scientists, doctors or
engineers,
they're slimy lawers for the most part, and I'm here
to tell you from experience, you can graduate
Harvard Law Magna Cum Laude and still be a
foaming at the mouth moron. |
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Believe me, I know. I've told the story before about
a
dispute regarding a business I was selling where I
finally told the Harvard boy I hired to never say or
do anything regarding this case except put what I
wrote onto his letterhead and send it out. I
salvaged a very big business deal that he had
totally screwed up every possible way imaginable
and it took me to fix it. And I'm no legal genius, I'm
just
not an idiot. |
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Don't be impressed by these guys. If they portray
and image of competence or higher intellect, it's
an illusion. They're simply slimy deal makers, and
they control an industry, the control of
government. |
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What they do is no more impressive than making
breakfast cereal or selling insurance. It's a money
making proposition that's sold as some kind of
grand endevor that's the engine powering the
success of civilization,. It's not. That comes from
innovators, workers and people who raise strong
families and intelligent, motivated hard working
kids that turn into productive adults. |
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Government types run to the front of the parade
of progress and pretend they're leading it. |
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Well, that turned into a little "soap box derby"
didn't it? I'll step down off of mine now. |
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My sister happens to be a lawyer. This is why I can offer
some insight—hers. |
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This is not about slimy backroom dealings, it’s about the
process of rooting out the unworkable as laws are modified.
Do you want every conversation with your coworkers or
family exposed to the media? |
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Might I suggest that you run for office? |
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I have a lawyer friend (criminal defense) and an
associate (business law) that are both very good
people as I'm sure your sister is. I just think there's
way too many lawyers at the helm of power in this
country. If any vocation was similarly over
represented I'd get
nervous. If 90% of politicians were former bakers I'd
be concerned. I'd also wonder if that had anything to
do with the price of a loaf of bread being $700 with a
mandatory requirement that all citizens buy at least
4 loaves a month. (With taxpayer subsidized
assistance for the needy of course.) |
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//Do you want every conversation with your
coworkers or family exposed to the media?// |
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Those conversations don't effect the lives of the
people who put me in power, but if the job specified
I wouldn't have any privacy for a couple of years,
yea. I wouldn't have a problem with it. |
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//Might I suggest that you run for office?// |
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On the "All Politicians And Their Payola Spreading
Puppet Masters Are Scum" platform? |
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I don't see that getting a lot of support. Plus I don't
feel the need to control others, just to fight off
people who wish to control me. |
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But if I ever decide to parlay my uncanny ability to
charm
everybody who hears my point of view into a run for
political office you'll be the first to know. |
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Frankly, I'd like my politicians to be less accountable but more effective. |
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" On the "All Politicians And Their Payola Spreading Puppet Masters Are Scum" platform? " |
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Somebody recently got into high office by talking like that - if it worked for them, it could certainly work for you. |
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Remember, all you need to do is tell people that everything is bad but it's not their fault, it's the other peoples fault. |
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Actually, I believe I must call " baked " on a portion of this idea. |
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As part of my day job, I review all that fine print the organization is committing to when they accept a purchase order. |
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There is actually a federal regulation that states (after being reduced to plainspeak) that no bribes should be paid to receive this contract, but that if bribes are paid, they must be paid with monies other than those received from this contract. There is also a form to be filled out. |
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Bribery is stil a common practice in many oil-rich
parts of the world. Here its just called lobbying and
fundraising. |
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// less accountable but more effective // |
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I suggest that they are highly effective, but not with the effects
you want. And if you want to give them a reason to prefer your
desiderata to theirs, then you've just re-invented accountability. |
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//Bribrry is stil a common practice in many oil-
rich parts of the world. Here its just called
lobbying
and fundraising.// |
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Yup. Here's something to mull over. I'd be
interested
to see if there were a vote to outlaw lobbiests if
anybody but the politicians and lobliests would
vote
against it. I'd be surprised if it didn't get 80 to 90%
of
the voters to support it. |
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You know, there's a side to us libertarians that
doesn't get a lot of mention. The support of what
I'll call "free market Darwinism". If a corporation
can't survive on its own, it needs to die, not have
the hard working men and women of this country
take their hard earned money and hand it over to a
failing business venture run by multi-millionairs. |
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Lobbiests are the cure for democracy and free
market capitalism. Somebody needs to come up
with a cure for lobbiests. |
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The first perpetual problem with free-market darwinism is
that it doesn't necessarily subscribe to basic hierarchies of
needs, as not everything can be monetized. The second
perpetual problem is that it leads to natural monopolies,
who
then become the real powerbrokers all over again and abuse
the jailing system to their own ends.
The third problem is that I think that we've sufficiently
demonstrated over the past year that Holmes' idea of the
'marketplace of ideas' does not always lead to sustainable
situations or the truth. This article was interesting <link>. |
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I suspect that the lobbyists would simply retreat to the
companies and organizations that they represent, as paid
representatives. |
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My point is, taxpayers shouldn't have to fund rich people's
businesses. Very simple. |
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Easy enough as a concept. |
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Some businesses are necessary. Others are not. Some make
money. Others don't. That Venn diagram doesn't sufficiently
overlap for a complex, large society unfortunately. |
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//Somebody needs to come up with a cure for lobbiests.// |
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Are lobbiests the people who are most lob-like? |
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I know it's silly but for some reason I feel partially to blame
for that misspelling. |
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Regardless of whose fault this is, and mistakes were
probably
made by everybody involved, I will step up and take full
responsibility for this error. |
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Hmm. Maybe I should consider a career in politics. |
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