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Two way stereo reverb and echo

Reversed stereo direction for echoed signal
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Echo and reverb are dimmed and slightly changed signals repeated at a delay.

But the 2way stereo effect reverses the direction of the delayed signal, so that the delay on the first side is longer and comes back only after the delayed second signal is received.

So instead of hearing
>> sigSide1, [side2Delay], sigSide2 ...[effectDelay]... sigSide1b [side2Delay] sigSide2b,

you hear:

>> sigSide1 [side2Delay] sigSide2 ...[effectDelay]... sigSide2b [echo2Delay] sigSide1b

Editing, hopefully it will be clearer:

DAW (digital audio workstation software) delayed echo effect just copies the channels and repeats the sounds.

So if you (presumably a male) have on the left channel: hell low how are you two day?

Putting delayed echo on it you hear: hell hell low low how how are are you you two two day day.

If on the right channel of the stereo you hear someone else (say a woman) saying: A B C D E F G

And you put a delayed echo on it: You will get A A B B C C D D E E F F G G

Now if you listen to the two raw channels in stereo without any echo you hear:

A Hell B low C how D are E you F two G day

Putting the echo on both stereo channels you hear:

A Hell A Hell B low B low C how C how D are D are E you E you F two F two G day G day

But if you use my "real world" two-way echo, you hear:

A Hell Hell A B low low B C how how C D are are D E you you E F two two F G day day G.

pashute, Sep 10 2021

Cool video of natural echo on a sax. https://fb.watch/8xvZ9-6vjG/
[doctorremulac3, Oct 09 2021]

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       Can you explain it better? I'm awake, had 3 coffees and I've read it 4 times. I have a working knowledge of reverb, and I'm still baffled.
bs0u0155, Sep 10 2021
  

       well it appears that you hear it without the commas.
xandram, Sep 10 2021
  

       //hear it without the commas.//   

       But... commas are a kind of delay....
bs0u0155, Sep 10 2021
  

       well maybe that’s your answer then because I certainly don’t understand…
xandram, Sep 10 2021
  

       So swapping channels/sides as well as repeating? I don't know if an echo cave will affect a multi-spacial source to that degree.
wjt, Sep 17 2021
  

       [bs0u0155], all you have to do is stick your head inside a Leslie speaker and you'll have this. (That is, if the rotation rate is half the signal rate)
lurch, Sep 17 2021
  

       I have a wall full of gold and platinum albums that all featured heavy use of reverb and digital delay machines and I have no idea what’s going on here. If this can be done with one of those can you just describe the settings you’d use?
doctorremulac3, Sep 17 2021
  

       (As I understand it...) It's a different delay for each channel, instead of (I presume) the standard of a common delay. Possibly with some smarts as to which channel comes first..?
neutrinos_shadow, Sep 19 2021
  

       That's done all the time.   

       Delays aren't a standard thing, they're an enhancement artistically used to make the song better. So you'd say "Put some delay on it." like you'd say "Put some piano on it." The next question would be "What do you want it to do?". One rule of thumb would be it would match the tempo and create a beat that fits with the song but it's like a paintbrush, you can do lots of stuff with it.   

       This might be great but I don't understand it. If it's a delay that bounces from one channel to the next that's very commonly done.
doctorremulac3, Sep 19 2021
  

       No no, not "a delay is standard"; I meant " a common delay value for both channels (as opposed to a different delay value for each channel) is standard". Unless you (as the resident expert) have used different delays for different channels?
Maybe [pashute] can re-appear & provide some more clarity.
neutrinos_shadow, Sep 20 2021
  

       Yea, delays are just like colors in a painting, they take notes, beats etc and make echos of them that you can use on your audio canvas. You can have a note on the right side echo on the left, then back on the right ping ponging back and forth, have echoes change tone, get lower or higher, wherever your creativity takes you.   

       But as far as this idea I'm totally confused.
doctorremulac3, Sep 20 2021
  

       Never has a [thwarted-pineapple] been better deserved.
Loris, Sep 20 2021
  

       //You can have a note on the right side echo on the left, then back on the right ping ponging back and forth, have echoes change tone, get lower or higher,//   

       Witchcraft. Left is guitarist #1, Right is guitarist #2. You can vary the delay by shouting at the relevant musician* to twiddle one of the many knobs on the floor. After the feedback dies down, we all agree we invented regressive metal for a reason, and the delay pedal is only to be used for playing the Top Gun theme to pass the time while the drummer sets up his 42nd cymbal.   

       *as opposed to the bassist/drummer.
bs0u0155, Sep 20 2021
  

       Addendum: I was assuming this was mostly for "live" effects, not studio engineering...
neutrinos_shadow, Sep 20 2021
  

       I have no idea what's going on.   

       Pash, can you clear this up? We're all confused. Intrigued, but confused.
doctorremulac3, Sep 20 2021
  

       [doc emulac], your link isn't working...   

       I'm editing the idea for clarity.   

       Is it understood any better now?
pashute, Oct 08 2021
  

       Neutrino's said it correctly. I'm looking for a slightly different delay for each channel so that the "closer to the echo-wall" gets back faster than the "farther away" causing a "reversed stereo effect". I'm not sure if we will perceive anything different but its worth a try comparing with regular "echo".   

       Of course you can do with your audio signal anything you want, but I'm talking about a "standard" (i.e. regular) button where you turn on the "echo" and instead of just adding a delayed sound or reverb to both channels, you get automatically a slight (adjustable) additional delay on one of the sides creating something of a "time pan effect" to the echo not effecting the original two stereo channels.
pashute, Oct 08 2021
  

       So effectively the left side starts first but plays a bit slower than the right side and the right side finishes first?
RayfordSteele, Oct 08 2021
  

       Thank you [Rayford]. And a delayed [+], [pashute], replacing a thwarted pineapple, in a gradual cross-fade.
pertinax, Oct 08 2021
  

       Thank you a1. Wonder what happened?   

       Anyway, boy music used to be experimental didn't it? This song sounds like the soundtrack to a dream or something.   

       [+] for thinking about echo settings, something I used to do a lot.
doctorremulac3, Oct 08 2021
  

       10-4, thanks man.   

       Anbody want to have fun with echo, buy yourself an old tape echo machine like an Echoplex. Turns everything into a horror movie, dream, time machine soundtrack etc.   

       Five minutes with this thing you'll go "This is where every horror or sci-fi movie audio special effect came from for decades!"
doctorremulac3, Oct 08 2021
  

       In your DAW, assign sig1 with a 1/4 note delay effect, no feedback (single repeat). Pan the effect to the opposite side as sig1. Assign sig2 with an 1/8 note delay effect, no feedback (single repeat). Pan the effect to the opposite side as sig2. I think this is the effect as described.
xrayTed, Oct 26 2021
  

       xray, you speaking studioeze? Are you a member of the sound club? (recording engineers, artists, producers etc.)
doctorremulac3, Oct 26 2021
  

       I've spent a bit of time behind the virtual faders, [doctorremulac3]. I produced an album the band I was in recorded a few years ago. No one listened to the album (even the free copies), and the band broke up due to creative disputes and personality conflicts. So, all in all, it was a success.
xrayTed, Oct 29 2021
  

       "We were meetin' chicks, takin' drugs They asked us to do MTV Unplugged You should've seen us We went right out there and refused to do acoustical versions of the electrical songs we refused to record in the first place
Then we smashed our shit..."
RayfordSteele, Oct 29 2021
  
      
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