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I must admit, I alternate between incredulity and outrage as I watch mainstream media's
light coverage of the Cuomo harassment scandal, which conveniently masks the Cuomo
Nursing Home scandal.
Since the ability of the population to compartmentalize and integrate the offenses of their
versus
opponent team has grown at an alarming rate, I propose the above mentioned
service, which notifies you of the latest outrage committed by a member of either team,
with all the great salacious detail, while carefully scrubbing all mention of political
affiliation such that you can enjoy proper outrage and viral gossip spreading. Only once you
have actually made up your mind as to the "facts" of the case, would you be notified as to
the offender's affiliation.
Sovietization of American Press
https://taibbi.subs...ion-of-the-american
[theircompetitor, Mar 13 2021]
A random headline for you to demonstrate the idea in action on
https://www.newyork...ntly-helping-people
[Skewed, Mar 14 2021]
Trust in medical science in the US by party
https://www.pewrese...ly-among-democrats/
Self-evident. [RayfordSteele, Mar 16 2021]
Democrats line up to call Cuomo to resign
https://www.youtube...watch?v=iQyyVP7-ocY
The terrible partisan bias of it all. [zen_tom, Mar 16 2021]
Old news same as the new news
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7u8nql
[bs0u0155, Mar 17 2021]
(Good) Science and engineering in your headphones
https://omegataupodcast.net/
[bs0u0155, Mar 17 2021]
A reasonable go at science from a health perspective
https://peterattiamd.com/podcast/
[bs0u0155, Mar 17 2021]
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Look! There is an enormous squirrel writing an annotation on your other idea! |
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I'm not sure there is any longer any point expecting any
media organisation to hold politicians to account, after the
rolling clusterfuck that the last 10 years has been. |
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Shouldn't the internet be a wilderness of lone wolf howls? |
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Under oversight control, of course. |
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I would note that wolves are only successful if they hunt in
packs. |
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The lone ones occasionally can be successful at giving new lines. |
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//expecting any media organisation to hold politicians to
account// |
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Can you provide an example of how things were better before
ten years ago, [UB]? |
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Well, 10 years ago was pre-Brexit, pre-Duterte, pre-Trump
and pre-Whatever The Fuck Putin Is Doing. |
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OK, but do you believe the media were doing a better job, or was
it just that they weren't being seriously tested? |
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I'm fine with prosecuting any criminal no matter which
team they play for. |
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yeah, [UB] I wouldn't argue with the clusterfuck comment
--
it'd be interesting to assemble a timeline of accumulating
HB annotations on the subject. |
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What's happened here at least is that we went from a
slavish FOX cheering on Republicans while having plenty
of opposition, to state/press apparatus supporting the
Democratic line in a shamelessly Orwellian way to
achieve it's goals, whether in the last election or beyond. |
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Matt Taibi, who is no conservative, is one of the real
journalists worried about this -- the example he gives of
how the press treated Biden's decision to do dick about
UBS (no relation) and Trump exact same decision is just a
great reminder that what the Press perceives as some sort
of return to normalcy is in fact resulting in an ongoing,
full-press support for the home team. |
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I agree with all of that, [tc], but I think the roots of it go further
back than ten years. |
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<political rant about how Orwell was right>
// either team
Neither team is allowed to talk about what's really
going on. I'm with [UB] on this although I don't know
which issues he is referring to. As I see it, over the
past 60 years telecom technology has gotten good
enough that a global monopoly of government is the
natural outcome, and capital is moving to bring this
about. I'd guess it will take another 60 years to really
get there, if free alternative media doesn't replace
the gate-kept owned media before then. George
Orwell was too optimistic when he foresaw three
nations perpetually at war with each other; more
likely it'll be a single nation that is perpetually at war
with internal dissidents (like the Soviet Union would
have been if there were not any external enemies). It
also won't be just cameras and secret agents
listening; it'll be computerized cradle-to-grave
tracking and keyword searches of each individual's
archives (like the Five Eyes program already does).
The people will love the all-powerful State monopoly,
will eagerly give up their civil rights,
and will not notice the declining living standards, the
lack of real innovation, the crumbling infrastructure,
the propaganda entertainment, or the purges. I don't
see any realistic way to change this. The conspiracy
theorists believe that the Occupy Wall Street
movement was disrupted by paid agitators, that
Jeffrey Epstein and Choi Soon Sil were both part of
larger networks influencing/controlling politicians,
that the covid lockdowns are intended to never end,
and that any news sources
that attempt to cover the above topics get called
"fake news" and then
deplatformed/ sued/ dissolved/ suicided so the
normies don't get any ideas.
</political rant> |
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Reinstate the "fairness law" that once abolished in
the 80's unleashed the present clusterfuck. |
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I'm not sure I've fully understood how this would work, so
I've found a headline example for you to demonstrate how
it would be effected by your idea. |
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//Rand Paul . The Republican senator castigated his
colleagues for “intrusively abetting people’s efforts to
survive.”// [linky] |
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Someone tell me this never really happened???? |
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Surely a professional politician couldn't be stupid enough to
make that sort of word meaning thingy mistake in public ;D |
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As I see it, the New Yorker is fake news, in the
business of suppressing the message of Rand Paul
and others who don't toe the neoconservative party
line. He probably said something like that quote, but
that's what the news does these daya: takes a few
out-of-context quotes that fit their predetermined
story, and uses those quotes to mock whichever
candidates are the least bought while distracting
from what the voters actually need and from what
the representative actually said. |
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It's a nutty conspiracy until it's proven. When it's proven it goes down the memory hole. |
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//a comedian// //is that good enough?// |
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Ah, so, pretty much, but did he really mangle his
presentation by
dropping in
the wrong word like that or was it completely made up? |
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So like our gutter press then? which would be all of it these
days. |
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I know the Onion, seems pretty much
the Sunday Sport online, which is pretty much The Beano for
adults dressed up as a newspaper, The Sport is one of the few
'news'
papers I don't feel complete loathing for these days, it may be
the only one, at least
they don't
expect you to believe the balls they print, that said I've not
read it since the 90's, is it even still going? |
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I can also recommend Private Eye magazine. Granted, I
haven't been reading it in recent years, and it has a mostly
UK focus - but, for example, back in the 1980s, it broke the
Iran/Contra story long before any other news outlets
including, I think, American ones. And they have a good
record of attacking *everyone* equally - anywhere there's
power, whether that's national government, local
government, NGOs, business, celebrities, religion, arts,
police, law courts, media, royalty, sport, etc., they have a
record of digging up the dirt. They get sued a lot, but
often turn out to have been right in the end. Anyway,
that's the way I remember it. It may have gone downhill in
the last twenty years. |
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It would help if the right wing party weren't now simply a
parody of itself. It's hard to write objective news about the
actual doings of clowns. |
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Every sector of society has clowns. But has there been a curve shift and can a finger be pointed? Maybe, news systems are to blame. |
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[pertinax] Private Eye is still high-quality. Their
coverage of what's gone badly, what's gone well, and
what's been miscommunicated in the Government's
response to Covid-19 has been really excellent. |
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At no time during the 1980's would any news organization
spend a minute reporting on Q bullshit, nor would George
Will give it a minute of his time. |
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There was a good analysis done on it last year that I had
heard. If I find it again I'll link it. As the right wing delved
further and further into conspiracy land, Trump land, and
hoax territory, the 'serious news' tended to brush them off
with ever broader strokes. This is what happens when a
party is hobbled and controlled by its extremists. |
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The left, for all of their troubles at winning, at least
discipline their own from time to time. |
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//at least discipline their own from time to time// |
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Most often these days for the wrong things, failing to agree
that any man who chooses to self identify as a woman
really is
a
biological woman & that any failure to accept this supreme
piece of double think or slip of tongue to the contrary is a
capital offence seems a favourite, these days they're
just a bad joke looking for a punchline. |
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If in their current
form they actually found power the damage they'd do is
incalculable. |
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We do have trans halfbakers, Skewed. Walk carefully. It's a
bit overblown when there are bigger tragedies going on, yes,
but do walk carefully. |
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Trans is fine [Ray], trying to pretend it's something it's not
isn't, consider, if we followed the extremists wishes to the
conclusion they demand you could, almost certainly would,
have trans dying as a result
of getting the wrong medication or emergency
treatment, not often, or many, but still.. is that the type of
idiocy we should support? a science denying dogma applied
with a fascist zeal reminiscent of the inquisition? because
that's what we have on the left in the UK. |
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I'm afraid I'd have to go with Blair
White on much of the trans debate. |
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But point taken, so I won't respond to any other comments
on the issue. |
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It's unimportant to what I was
saying anyway. |
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Which is that the left (in the UK at least) are unelectable
loons &
anyone who votes for them in their current state is
clinically insane. |
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If you're using this line to try and justify or 'whatabout' the
cliff of reality that the right has jumped off, well, sorry. I
don't see it. |
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Which party is filled with science-deniers? |
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Which party has evolved into an enslaved personality cult? |
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[Quietly writes a brief note to have a psychiatrist sent around
to evaluate [Ray}} |
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And 81 million other Americans, apparently. |
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Sorry but I'm not in the mood to play at this anymore. |
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There's a lot of it out there. |
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But do try to remember that
I'm
talking about the UK left,
wouldn't claim to have an opinion on the US left. |
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To answer your questions, in the UK it's. |
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They lost the last election are filled with science denying
dogma driven spin
artists & have a personality cult they've still not fully
purged
in the person of their last leader :) |
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there's no question there's a cult of personality on the right.
And there's a cult of ideology on the left. |
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The UK right is roughly the US middle or even US center-left
at the moment. Seeing as how [tc] is a USian, it would seem
clear where he's focusing. |
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And no, in the US the right is the party of science-deniers and
anti-vaxxers. Do a search for how many of which party plan
to get the shot. |
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ooooh don't get me started. |
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But on a more neutral approach, there are actions and points of philosophy we can ALL agree on. We've let politicians push wedge issues down our throats until a large percentage of people on both sides are completely unable to agree on anything. Good for the politicians, horrible for the country. Either country. We need to collectively agree on the points we can agree on, and they are many. Then we need to let OBJECTIVE science (that is repeatable experiments and unbiased work) lead the way. |
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Objectivity is tricky. As I see it, there are many
questions that have obvious answers but the
majority is wrong about. Science can't help audit
electronic money-creation by central banks, for
example. Science can't help secure every citizen's
God-given right to own air defense missile systems
and nuclear power generators. Science can't build a
"Leviathan" that gently punishes the uncooperative
and
foolish people to spur human progress. Science
can't ban telemarketers. |
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this is priceless from a CNN article today about the
border: |
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//But the issue appears to be becoming whether migrants
desperate for a better life in the US have misinterpreted
Biden's vows for a more humane stance on immigration
than ex-President Donald Trump as a signal to flock to the
US border. This perception is being exacerbated by the
recruitment tactics of human smugglers.// |
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MISINTERPRETED... Were questions about this asked
before the election? Was Biden ever pressed on it? what
are they saying now? |
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I'm way way more pro-immigrant then Ray's troglodyte
description -- but was there ANYONE in the press who
didn't know this would happen? Or was it more
convenient to talk about pics in cages that dated from
the previous admin? |
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Sure, the people can be sycophants. And Fox is there
too. But pretending that the rest of the press is not is
hiding your head in the sand. |
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So your answer is what? Build a gigantic and utterly
useless wall? Send them back 2000 miles? Release
them into the wild? Put up huge billboard ads in
Guatemala saying what our policies are? |
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Certainly having an actual human in the White
House instead of a wannabe mafia goon was going
to do something to signaling. |
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//Certainly having an actual human// actual alive non-
suffering from dementia human for sure... |
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my answer is not to build a wall. I'm generally pro-
immigrant, and am an immigrant as you probably know. |
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My suggestion here is purely that things are not improved by
a lying press. |
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//Put up huge billboard ads in Guatemala saying what our policies are?// |
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Informational outreach may indeed help, especially non-lying education about coyotes and odds of getting caught and exported. No harm in Trump's policy of focusing on the more evil immigrants either, just without using it to stir up fear and hate. |
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The hyperinflation being brought about by both Trump and Biden will do more than anything else to curb immigration. Once the economy is destroyed there will be no reason to emigrate from where they are. Turns out Alexander Tytler wasn't cynical enough, it's the rich who are voting themselves largess. |
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/*Correction: Two months after publication of this story, the Georgia secretary of state
released an audio recording of President Donald Trump’s December phone call with the
state’s top elections investigator. The recording revealed that The Post misquoted Trump’s
comments on the call, based on information provided by a source. Trump did not tell the
investigator to ‘find the fraud’ or say she would be ‘a national hero’ if she did so. Instead,
Trump urged the investigator to scrutinize ballots in Fulton County, Ga., asserting she
would find ‘dishonesty’ there. He also told her that she had ‘the most important job in the
country right now.’ A story about the recording can be found here. The headline and text
of this story have been corrected to remove quotes misattributed to Trump.*/ |
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/Certainly having an actual human// Face on/off the
nation. |
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Legacy media: Put a face on the news. Authenticated,
reported, and supported the efforts of journalists to
present facts that reflect various situations and generate
information its audience could use to make informed
decisions. Sought to reassure and lower anxiety. |
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Para-media: Puts an influential face ahead of the news.
Deals spin and shade across hot button issues to drive
discussion on a range of opinions that engage its
audience. Generates interest, and frames debate and
closure as essential to public policy. Strives to present
conflict and raise outrage. |
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The death penalty for what you call para-media might help
concentrate minds & break the pattern, maybe we
could use drawing & quartering, was always a crowd
pleaser that one. |
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Your view of legacy media might be a little rose- tinted,
[reensure]. Much of the media was always pretty awful.
Consider the famous question, "Anyone here been raped and
speaks English?" |
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//view of legacy media might be a little rose- tinted,
[reensure]. Much of the media was always pretty awful.// |
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I've moved toward this conclusion. I'm not in a recliner
gazing upon that conclusion in total comfort, but I'm
happier leaning in that direction. |
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I remember watching one of the air crash investigation
programs about China Airlines 140, an A300 that crashed
at Narita. They cut in footage of reliable old Tom Brokaw
saying "Suddenly the plane's engines exploded". No they
bloody didn't. The official cause was a mishandling of the
aircraft mostly because of simulator/aircraft differences.
That took a while to figure out, but, what absolutely
didn't happen was any engine explodyness. That was
known at the time. It stalled and bellyflopped onto the
ground. So the impression from the news: Engines
exploded. What actually happened with the engines: They
worked perfectly throughout the flight. |
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With science journalism, I'm afraid the signal:noise ratio
is either 0, or actually a negative value. If you see any
sciency headline "New drug reverses symptoms in a huge
advance in Parkinson's research", disregard. I don't know
why some studies from the literature get thrust into the
mainstream, I suspect a combination of slow news days
and a sporadically active University comms dept. Usually
the article, when read carefully, gives an impression so
wrong it should be considered a lie. Even the big
journals, Cell, Science & Nature are politicizing their way
into odd positions. |
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There is hope though, there are podcasts & youtube
channels with actual scientists spending good amounts of
time on subjects and generally doing things rather well. |
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I'm not sure which point you want specifically, but I found
Tom Brokaw spouting rubbish at 10:20 ish <link>. Sorry for
the ads, was difficult to find online without paying. |
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I was hoping for links to scientists spending good amounts of time on subjects and generally doing things rather well. |
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Oh, try these <link>. The Peter Attia podcast episode with
Vamsi Mootha is something I'm well qualified to assess, we're
in the same field & our labs collaborate. |
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//science-deniers and anti-vaxxers// |
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Speaking of which they the religious nuts & other normal
suspects must be going spare. |
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Just had my first jab & the
leaflet tells them the vaccine contains chimpanzee
virus & GMO's, uses other woods liable to scare them (like
recombinant) as well. |
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The story of the woods. How else scare/manipulate children into doing what you want? |
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//How else scare/manipulate children into doing what you want?// |
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//Science can't help audit electronic money-creation by central banks// |
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Economics can prove the short- and long-term result of that. |
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//Science can't help secure every citizen's God-given right to own air defense missile systems and nuclear power generators.// |
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Yes it can: those materials and technologies are getting cheaper every day. Also if there were studies done on it, it could be proven whether allowing everyday citizens to build and/or purchase and own those things would be a good thing by various measures. I volunteer to be one of the test cases. |
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//Science can't build a "Leviathan" that gently punishes the uncooperative and foolish people to spur human progress.// |
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No, but engineering can... |
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//Science can't ban telemarketers.// |
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I thought science was on an energetic race to make the best telemarketers the human race has ever seen. Ananova was a real Max Headroom early model. |
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//I'm well qualified to asses// |
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Either you're short an S, [bs0], or that's TMI. |
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So what if he's a horse breeder? Don't get bummed out. |
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