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The Internet, amongst its many advantages, also has the
disadvantage of ever-increasing numbers of trolls. Trolling
is perhaps subjective and the term is overly-used as a one-
size-fits-all label for comparatively minor comments up to
fullblown viciousness that makes me wonder about the
mental
health of the poster. RIP site abuse, for example.
The laws on cyber abuse are toothless and barely
understood by the police, whose generic advice is to stop
using the Internet altogether.
Any complaint against troll posts seems to result in the
'freedom of speech' counterargument but there has to be a
line drawn somewhere.
So I suggest the Outernet as the solution; once posts
determine that the poster is intentionally seeking to troll,
the IP address is rerouted to what looks and behaves just
like the Internet but is a clone solely for containment of
trolls. It's possible that some trolls can outgrow trolling in
which case they should have the right to return but the
rest can continue to troll in an environment where no one
can be damaged by them. They retain freedom of speech
and everyone else can go online without the possibility of
becoming a target.
The curse of the internet trolls
http://www.telegrap...nternet-trolls.html
[Phrontistery, May 26 2012]
A sample of prosecutions
http://www.theywork...009-04-20g.268583.h
[Phrontistery, May 26 2012]
Sean Duffy
http://www.guardian...d-mocking-teenagers
[Phrontistery, May 26 2012]
Troll motivation
http://trollpolice....nt-feed-the-trolls/
[Phrontistery, May 26 2012]
Jay & Silent Bob's method of troll control
http://youtube.com/...watch?v=vuBWbpTJRqk
2m 5s of ass-kicking family fun. NSFW profanity [Alterother, May 26 2012]
[link]
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As an alternative, we can just buy Jay & Silent Bob some
more plane tickets. [+] |
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// the IP address is rerouted to what looks and behaves just like the Internet but is a clone solely for containment of trolls.// |
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An, abridged version perhaps... |
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Perhaps I have never been trolled seriously, or
perhaps I misunderhend the meaning of "troll". |
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But isn't this a sledgehammer to crack a molehill? If
trolls are sufficiently trollish, they can be barred or
ignored, no? Or do I miss something? |
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Not always, Maxwell, it depends on the troll. Since
December I've had one 'intervene' in my real life to
the point that it goes to court next month and I'm
currently househunting. A persistent and deranged
troll has no limits, in my experience. And no, I don't
know the troll offline, it all started with a
disagreement over politics on a news forum. |
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Ah - well, point taken. Sorry you've had such grief. |
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The problem in that case seems to be the point at
which trolling crosses from the Internet to the
tangible world, though, no? |
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In a way, that's true but had the Outernet existed off
this page, the matter would never have escalated. Or
so I'd like to think and I only mentioned the court
thing to show how some abuse the Internet. I was
advised to stay offline altogether but then I lose a
valuable resource and link to my hobbies. With the
Outernet, no troll would have that level of power. |
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//the IP address is rerouted to what looks and behaves just like the
Internet but is a clone solely for containment of trolls.// |
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I don't see how this can work, alas. If the Outernet behaves just like the
Internet, then it is going to have to mirror the whole Internet. It is also
going to have to mirror (or simulate) responses on whatever fora the troll is
trolling on, no? |
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I think the only thing that might work in the way you want would be a site-
by-site system, such that the troll's posts were visible to the troll, but not
visible to other users. Then the troll would think that she was simply being
ignored by the rest of the community. |
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Also, since the concentration of trolls would be much higher on the outernet, the chance that a troll might realise how annoying trolls are is higher. this would reduce the time required to //outgrow trolling//. |
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This idea is completely impossible. For one thing, IP addresses and users
don't share a 1:1 correlation. There may be hundreds of users behind a
single IP address, or a single user may use several IP addresses. |
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And even if you could implement it somehow, how would you prevent the
troll from knowing, and finding some way to route around it (see problem
one)? Trolling only works because you get a response. I obviously don't
know the details of your situation, [Phrontistery], but from your description
it doesn't sound like the person you're having trouble with is what I'd call a
"troll". "Deranged" is not a term used to describe a troll. Trolling is a
deliberate attempt at provoking a reaction to a statement (generally not
specifically targeted at any one person in particular), not a concentrated
effort to deliberately ruin somebody's life. What you're undergoing sounds
like straight-up harassment by somebody who's made it his mission to get
you. |
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But more relevantly, what does it mean to "clone" the Internet? Would you
have a perfect duplicate of every computer on the Internet, running the
exact same software and with the same content? How would you go about
accomplishing such a task? You could no more "clone" the Internet than you
could "clone" a river. Without some clarification on this concept, I'm
inclined to MFD this idea as bad science/magic. |
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[ytk] Although I am not [Phrontistery], If it was my idea, I would say that cloning the internet would mean that every server that hosts a website, host a clone of the website that blacklisted ip's (I am using the IP theory because I dont know enough to discount it) are redirected to. If whoever coordinating this ammassed a relatively large blacklist of IPs BEFORE the redirection went live, there would be sufficcient trolls on certain websites to fool the other trolls into believing they are on the normal internet. The trolls would then go about building their own internet, from the point where they split up, like a parallel universe. |
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Alternatively, it could be set up so that it is obvious to the troll that they have been "outernetted", and that they are in a sort of prison for trolls. Although escaping would be possible, they would either get caught again, or be so afraid of going back to prison that they would stop trolling people (this would only work with minor trolling the way you described it). |
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How would you ensure that non-trolls know which net they're on? I don't like the idea that I might inadvertently spend hours of my life contributing to some site only to find out later that it's on the Outernet which is why I'm being drowned out by rants and pointless ad hominem arguments about nudes, prudes and Brian Sewell... |
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Don't worry; the HB is way too Out There to be mirrored on
the Outernet. |
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