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I've heard that there are around fifteen to thirty legal
moves per position in chess, which seems about right -
for
instance, i can think of twenty legal opening moves.
Normally, only two people play chess at once. Other
chess
players play different games. There are also contests
where
people play several games at once. However, the
global chess community tends to play separate games.
So my idea is this. There is a master game each of
whose
moves are determined by the outcomes of a number of
other games - maybe about twenty at first. Each of
these
games is itself determined by a number of other games
and so forth. This goes on for about seven levels,
involving billions of players, some of whom are doubling
or
tripling up, or more. All chess players in the world who
wish to do so are included in this tree of games. The
possible moves are decided upon at each level of each
game, allowing pairs of players to be allocated
strategically
and enabling sensible games to be played.
Before anyone says, yes i did consider an alternate IMB
title for this idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_(film)
[calum, Dec 19 2011]
Chess database search.
http://duckduckgo.c...ss+database%22&kp=1
There are many! [DrBob, Dec 19 2011]
Number of Possible Games of Chess
http://blog.chess.c...ble-games-are-there
Depends on how you count, but it is extremely huge (10^120 ??) [csea, Dec 19 2011]
'How to Cheat at Chess' by Bill Hartston
http://www.amazon.c...d=1324473509&sr=8-1
Not actually a guide to cheating but a humorous cataloguing of some of the more colourful ways that the game has been played. Includes some violence! [DrBob, Dec 21 2011, last modified Dec 22 2011]
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So, this game becomes a statistical breakdown of the popularity of each possible move? |
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I'm not sure - the idea description is confusing and doesn't say what actually happens. A possible variant (or it may be exactly the same thing - I don't know) would be a kind of 'democracy chess' in which 20 chess games are played simultaneously and at every stage, the most popular move among the 20 games becomes the move everyone has to make (so all 20 games are the same, but effectively they're voting on each move). |
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In any democracy the weakest persist. |
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In essence, this is pretty much what happens with chess openings, as all the competitive games are recorded and analysed and a consensus eventually emerges about the strongest line in any particular opening. |
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After the last game ends, do you look up and see that above you,
one by one, the stars are going out ? |
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I think you play it to pass the time at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe. |
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I presume there are only a finite amount of games of chess. I wonder if anyone has figured out how many? |
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// i can think of twenty legal opening moves// |
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You are forgetting the classic opening of Samovar
against Knigi. The breathtaking boldness of the
move, combined with the finesse of Samovar's work
with the epée, has never been bettered. |
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Indisputable, yes, but it remains the worst, nay almost definitive,
eample of Chess Hooliganism on record, and the consequent
showing of the Red Card by the referee, the resultant Public
Enquiry by the International Tribuneral on Violence in Chess,
and the fact that Samovar was subsequently sentenced to death
in his absence did cast something of a blight on the game. |
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To [gnomethang], by acclamation, both ears, and
the
tail |
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[csea] as far as I can tell, the greater part of the
linked article is bollocks. |
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That number exactly, which it isn't of course, is a vigintillion on the long scale, a number for which i had great affection as a youngling. |
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You can at least begin to work it out fairly straightforwardly. There are twenty possible opening moves and four hundred possible first two moves. The first complication in working out the third move is whether other pieces are in the way. Four of the first player's second moves involve them returning a knight to its original position, which is interesting - what would happen if all both players did was to shuffle their knights back and forth? There's a rule about repeating moves which i've currently forgotten. |
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There are several ed draw rules that do limit the number of possible games to a finite number. |
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Three repetitons of the same position is a draw (non mandatory, but can be claimed by either player). |
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Fifty moves without a capture or pawn movement is a draw. Even if the three repitition draw is ignored, this will kick in. |
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A stalemate - no legal moves and not in check is a draw. Or if checkmate is not possible because insufficient pieces remain (only kings, for instance). |
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Regardless, while the number of possible games is large but finite, the number of reasonable variations is significantly smaller. (Sacrificing your queen to an oponents pawn on the second move, for instance, is not a variation that will see much play) |
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Just thinking about small chess. That would have a
smaller "tree" which is easier to imagine. |
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/each of whose moves are determined/
If those moves are determined, would there be any need for human players to think and place the pieces? |
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This seems like it would be a game of Deep Blue vs. Watson. |
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Would that be anything like Joe vs. The Volcano ? |
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nine billion, not exactly a big number of permutations...these days. |
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//Pepin the Short (714-768) was playing chess against the son of Okarius (Okar), the prince of Bavaria, and became so enraged at repeatedly losing, that he hit the prince in the head with one of the chess pieces (rochus or rook) and killed him on the spot.// |
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Surprisingly violent game, judging from the many (probably apocryphal) tales. Or, don't trust anyone with a really crap nickname? |
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//After the last game ends, do you look up and see that
above you, one by one, the stars are going out ?//.
Only if you play it in front of a group of chess obsessed
celebrities. |
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Damn, this must be the slow class. |
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Does the term "literary allusion" mean nothing to you ? |
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Does the term "literary" mean nothing to you ? |
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Does the term "Huh ?" mean anything to you ? |
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Aaach ... let's try again. "Number One White Man B'long Mrs. Queen say 'You-fellah go Place-b'long-blackboard, learn plenty strong reading, or Him-fellah b'long Mrs Queen give you-fellah Right Duffing Up, OK ?" |
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It's like trying to teach a Newfoundlander to row a boat and fish at the same time, only less rewarding. |
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There has to be a useful way to change the Title to "9 billion Games of Nod" |
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//Does the term "literary allusion" mean nothing to you?// |
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Actually "no". The first 2 times I read the header as "The Nine Billion Names of God" because that story is so ingrained into my consciousness. I've been a fan of A C Clarke since you were probably still known as [3rd of 2]. |
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Is the concept of deliberate obtuseness for the purposes of humour (or at the very least a small pun) not known on your planet? Or is it just that you took up residence north of the Western Rocks on the Isles of Scilly and suffer from that "living north of the 49th parallel affliction" you mentioned in a previous annotation? |
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BTW, as I recall, both rowing and fishing are some of the few things that the Newfies are actually pretty good at doing. Its been a long time since I've checked on my eastern brethren since I've been living the good life at 31° 60'S for quite a few years now so maybe things have changed. |
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// There has to be a useful way to change the Title to "9 billion Games of Nod" // |
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The games are so boring that they make everyone fall asleep? Or everyone has to agree before the next move is made on the next level up? |
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Seems like Okar could have used some chess advice from C3P0. |
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Sound like world of warcraft board game. |
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