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Black people tend to have a much lower nose bridge than
white people and it's hard to find sunglasses that fit.
Sunglasses are typically made for white people and tend to
rest on the cheeks.
The revolutionary idea is to make sunglasses that fit by
having longer nose pads and the glasses sit
higher up.
Sunglasses don't fit.
http://www.123rf.co...ion-sunglasses.html
An example of sunglasses that don't fit. If you look, you can see these are resting on the girl's cheeks and not on her nose. These are admittedly very large sunglasses, but it illustrates the issue. [jmvw, Jul 10 2012]
Oakley Asian Fit
http://ca.oakley.com/women/asian-fit
Oakley has a line called Asian Fit. This is excellent. I think these will work! [jmvw, Jul 10 2012, last modified Jul 11 2012]
Polarized contact lenses
http://www.invention.net/dudai.htm#link1
Unfortunately contact lenses are not as easy to put on and take off. [jmvw, Jul 11 2012]
Asian fit is a concept
http://www.tc-chart...an-fit-eyewear.aspx
[jmvw, Jul 11 2012]
One size fits nobody
http://www.e-potpou...ith-android-appeal/
Uncomfortable for all [Phrontistery, Jul 12 2012]
Same problem, discuessed in 2010
http://urocyon.word...2010/05/12/glasses/
[Inyuki, Jul 13 2012]
Gunga Din
http://www.bartleby.com/103/48.html
A better tman than you are ... ? [8th of 7, Jul 14 2012]
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That is interesting, and not something I had
considered. Do you speak from experience? |
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Well it worked for combs, and I am not talking Sean P-
Diddy Combes, either. |
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Although in some stringently PC environs, this maybe
deemed a bridge too far. |
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Hahaha, [rcarty] I applaud your insolence. Come now!
Really? Let's all? You seem to imply my three, Lilly white,
eider down feathers may at some point be tarred by a
similar brush, and that their progeny at some point may
have a need for this ridiculous "Afro-comb" nasal support
solution. It is far more likely that they will need small
toothpicks to make their eyes look rounder... |
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Not really a new idea. Asian facial structures also
need different frame shapes and nose pads, for
eyeglasses. |
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I'm tempted to MFD this one for being unoriginal and
probably racist. |
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It could be simply re-worded as designing sunglasses for people with broader noses than the median. Not racist nor particularly inventive either. |
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Really what is needed is sunglasses that come in a special pouch and stay a little mushy in there. Once out they start to harden, but you have 10 minutes to figure out how best they fit your face. This would increase range. |
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[MaxwellBuchanan] Yes, I speak from experience.
It seems to be one of those
situations where nearly all of the production and
distribution is targeting the majority. Just like it's
impossible
to
find shoes over American size 13 or European size
46 in Amsterdam, even
though there are many men with larger feet there. |
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How is this not an essentially
pointless racial market division that
serves to only re-enforce notions that
there is a "black" race with one set of
typical features, when in reality there
are many isolated phisiotypes with
dark skin and thus no clarity re. Nose
size and position. "Black" after all,
represents the single weakest
stereotype of all because the "black"
population is actually the most
genetically and phisiotypically diverse
population. |
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Clearly the answer is false rubber noses for white people. |
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The problem with the idea is not that it's racist, although
it very well could be, but because people who are black
can be seen wearing sunglasses perhaps as commonly as
people who are white. Maybe you've done sampling and
followed research methodologies and determined that
much fewer people who are black wear sunglasses than
people who are white. Furthermore, maybe you have also
speculated that prominent sunglasses wearing people
who are black in the media have confounded people's'
perceptions of sunglasses wearing commonality. Therefore
you have proposed sunglasses for people who are black to
make sunglasses access equal, and sunglasses wearing
more equitable. |
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//I'm tempted to MFD this one for being unoriginal
and probably racist// |
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//How is this not an essentially pointless racial
market division // |
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I may not be qualified on this topic, but I think
those comments themselves are in a sense racist,
by suggesting that it is in some way offensive to
identify features or problems which are (according
to the poster) more common among black people
than among caucasians. |
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If the poster had suggested special chairs for tall
people, or a shampoo that worked better on
brunette hair than on blonde, there would be no
problem because there is no discrimination
against people who happen to be tall or brunette. |
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If I had suggested a special sunblock for Nordic
tourists visiting tropical countries (because Nordic
skins are typically fairer), would there be a
problem with that broad generalization? No, of
course there would not, because we don't really
think about discriminating against Swedes (except
Abba, obviously). |
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It is, as far as I know, a simple fact that black
people are more likely to have lower nose-bridges
than caucasians. Is there something wrong with
that? Is it in some way offensive? No - so why is it
wrong to suggest a solution to the problem of
sunglass fitting? |
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For all I know, it may be that the epicanthic fold
makes it more difficult to remove contact lenses.
If so, would it be wrong to suggest some
alternative contact lens design to benefit asians,
many of whom have an epicanthic fold, whereas
few non-asians do? I'm sure there are non-asians
with epicanthic folds and vice versa, but so what?
Am I being slurred if it is suggested that I have, or
don't have, an epicanthic fold? |
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Surely, suggesting that it is wrong to mention
typical differences between different ethnicities
is an indication of inherent discrimination? |
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Thank you for pointing that out [MaxwellBuchanan]. I
know I could never have said that as eloquently as
you did. |
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I can't find good sunglasses for my wife and I
know other people who have the same issue. |
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Racism has tricky social manifestations in practice. While
very structured discourse on racism has been established,
people really arn't any good at understanding things or
observing rules usually unless they are specifically trained
or employed to those ends, and those people usually start
out dumb. For example, massive racist genocides, sadly,
often make little rational sense. Racism although a real
thing that has to be understood by sound minds in a
rational structured discursive sense is actually the insanity
of seething beasts clawing and grunting at eachother. So
even if nothing particularly racist has been said, any
accusation defines the situation as racial, racializes the
opponents, becomes racist. This is racist just because
some sort of racialization has occurred and we can argue
about it. |
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What 21Q said in his first anno.
I don't like people slinging around accusations of racism (or most other -isms*). To me, these things are as much about intent as the actual language used. So whilst there is certainly some injudicious stereotyping going on in this idea, I don't see anything intended to be insulting or a put down to black people, so I would hesitate to make the racism call without knowing jmvw personally.
* especially syllogisms, schisms & prisms. |
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So can we stop talking about racism and make peace
with the consideration that most sunglasses typically
don't fit black people very well? Or is that too much
to handle? |
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// don't black people have an entire clothing and
accessory company designed specifically for them, called
FUBU (For Us By Us)? // |
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There is or at least was at one time, and in my lifetime I
have seen more idiot wannabe rapstars who are whiter
than I am wearing that crap
than I have seen black people in total, including those
encountered in my world travels. |
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Refreshingly, Oakley has an "Asian Fit" line. These
might work (link). This is about all I can google up. |
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And today's award for "Letting Things Get Out Of
Perspective" goes to... |
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The entire world is made for right-handed people. Lefties
are forced to adapt. With that in mind, I don't find it hard
at all to believe that most sunglasses are made with
Caucasian facial proportions in mind. |
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The problem is that this is really an idea for people with
flat noses because not only black people or even all black
peoples have flat noses. |
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"We all make mistakes, so come over here for a BIG HUG!" |
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And I repeat: //It could be simply re-worded as designing sunglasses for people with broader noses than the median.// |
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I deleted FlyingToaster's comments as well as my
responses to them. I found his series of comments
to be quite disrespectful and offensive. I meant to
post this idea, not to create a space where racist
jokes can be excused. I've never done anything
like this and I'm quite sad
to do this because I believe in open discussion and
of course it reflects negatively
on the idea as well as put a damper on any
pleasant and lighthearted discussion. I'm really
tempted to delete the whole idea (which was
never brilliant to begin with; there is just a need
for this) but I
don't think it's fair that someone can nuke an idea
just by filling it with rottenness. This is my original
post, and I feel that I have some ownership to it. |
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I for one hope you keep the idea, it's subtle but powerful, it seems to have an interesting ability to set people off. I'm hoping for another couple of paragraphs from [21 Quest] at least. Great fun. |
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Maybe it's time for sunglasses that avoid the nose altogether. We need a new nosefree design. How 'bout it, science? |
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Tiny rare earth magnets implanted in the skull--some
attracting and some repelling--could hold stemless
sunglasses in place without even touching the skin. |
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I'm both attracted and repelled by your idea [Alter] |
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I think I've said it before, and no doubt many other
people have too, but it is interesting how people
get far more worked up on the internet than they
would in real life. I have a theory that it's a sort of
tangential recreation, providing an adrenaline buzz
in relatively safe surroundings. |
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That, and a false sense of freedom to be as naughty as you
want without repercussions. |
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Like watching rugby or playing Grand Theft Auto. |
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Somebody just blink and get it over with. |
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After a bit of scoping about, I believe the answer to [jmwv]'s conundrum and my nose-free wish lies in using tinted contact lenses made for this purpose. There's a lot of noise on the topic but if you sort though, some good research has been done and product options are available. |
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Curious [21 Quest] do you have more details on that law? I couldn't find any information except for the Arizona thing. |
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[FlyingToaster], I see that you insist on continuing
to post here. I'd much rather you stay away and
stop vandalizing what was a genuine post on my
side. |
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I suspect it would be straightforward to write a
script against halfbakery that deletes your
comments. But I am not going to play that game,
I'm not going to play delete and repost with you. |
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I think you either no concept of racism or how
offensive your stereotypical jokes were or you
enjoy stirring things up a little. I have a strong
feeling that both are true. Unfortunately you're
not the only one who doesn't understand what
racial stereotyping is. |
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You have proudly shown that you can post racist
jokes here, that you can talk disrespectful about
women as well as me. You post your racist jokes
and with it you question my motives and
demanded I tell you things about myself and you
give me a choice of two simplistic stereotypes in
which I ought to classify myself. So I
wrote a reconciliatory comment and you respond
by saying I should tell my wife to the kitchen. That
is offensive. And at that point it becomes clear
that your intentions are just false. |
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And you top it all off by telling me that my post
was racist and you're feigning a moral high ground.
Is this your game? We're going to call each other
racist, it's a little chess match? This is Beavis and
Butthead level. |
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If your jokes were meant in a sarcastic sense,
rather than as a happy excuse to let it all hang
out, I want to point out to you that nobody needs
to hear that stuff. Even in sarcasm. Sarcasm can
be playing with fire, because people might take
your statements seriously. Just leave it out. You
don't need to post racist jokes and feign sarcasm.
If you think something is off, just say it. |
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I chose to remove your posts. I felt they were
offensive, racist, rude and vandalized this idea. So
I removed them. And my responses as well. And
again. |
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You could just leave it there. But you want to
come back and get even. You saved your post so
you could show how you can win this game. |
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And you would win it, because I'm not going to
keep playing this. |
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I'm sure you're generally a great person with
sparkles of insight. I looked at some of your ideas
and I like them. But what you're doing here makes
no sense. It's not nice. It's not clever. It's
destructive. Do we admire people who get caught
up in road rage? |
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I'm just glad I didn't post that "Burka-compatible
Segway" idea I dreamt about a few days ago. |
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As a (relatively) disinterested party in all this - [FT],
don't you think you're over-reacting, maybe just a
tad? |
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[FlyingToaster] I missed something that I might have
to respond
to: I
found your comments about eyes, eskimos and
clowns to be progressively offensive. |
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Oh, for fuxake... Both of you have gone off the rails at this
point. It's one foolish reprisal begetting the next. Frankly,
I'd be highly surprised to discover that any Halfbakers have
overt prejudices--maybe I'm wrong, but in my experience
most intelligent free thinkers immediately spot the flaw
inherent in any form of bigotry: it's hypocritical. |
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So you know what I think this is? Somebody made a
comment that somebody else didn't interpret precisely the
way it was meant. A strongly-worded response was
drafted. This provoked amusement and maybe a little
indignation, which led to goading. More self-righteous
prostelytizing issued forth, answered by yet more goading.
The regular cast of shit-stirrers added the odd kick here
and there, and before you know it the whole thing
escalated into a verbose and articulate Halfbakery flame
war; let's call it an 'oven fire'. So fucking cool it, already. |
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//I'd be highly surprised to discover that any
Halfbakers have overt prejudices// |
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I'd agree. After all, we're all pretty smart here, and
we all know that all people with prejudices are all
low-brow mouth-breathers. |
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Not at all. There are plenty of very intelligent bigots. But
that kind of blind, unreasoning prejudice, resistance to any
discussion of change, and rigid narrow-
mindedness just doesn't seem to manifest here. Unless
there are any 'bakers who have somehow managed to not
only conceal their political and social bigotry
but also somehow feign the open-mindedness, creativity,
and
positive-change mindset that the Halfbakery celebrates
and
nourishes, I find it highly implausable that any of us are
knowingly racist. |
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I say 'knowingly racist' with myself in mind. The population
of Maine is usually said to be 'predominantly Caucasian',
which is a ludicrous understatement. Barring travel out of
state, I would say that I encounter 3-5 people a year who
aren't white or American Indian. |
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Because of this, I sometimes act strangely around racial
minorities, especially black people. This isn't because I
dislike, distrust, or fear them, it's because encountering
them takes me by surprise. It's like going into the kitchen
and finding a rhinoceros heating up a microwave burrito.
Just the same, I have come to consider that a small form
of racism. |
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Hey, what's wrong with rhinoceroses using
microwaves? You think they all just roam the veldt
and chew grass? |
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// Hey, what's wrong with rhinoceroses using microwaves?
// |
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I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, just that
most people would be quite surprised to find one in their
own kitchen. At my house, it's not so unlikely a scenario,
despite repeated mandates that the rhinoceroses in
residence at the Heathen Institute use the microwaves in
the rhinoceros lounge. I mean, that's why we put the damn
things there, and yet they insist on walking all the way
down the hill from the Institute and using the microwave in
our kitchen. You should see the mud they track in! |
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[21 Quest] thanks but the linked story appears to reference a bill from the UK. I am particularly interested in the law you mentioned that was recently passed in the US. |
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Perhaps the nose-free idea is the wrong approach, and the solution to the problem is to design sunglasses that attach *only* at the nose like Morpheus' glasses. Better - each lens can be a separate piece which fastens to the nose using magnets poked up inside the nasal cavity. Or for enterprising individuals, piercings. |
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After giving the article a quick read, I don't see how it
could be instituted without instantly becoming yet
another outlet for trolling. I saw no mechanism there to
prevent unwarranted accusations being made simply
because one user doesn't like another user. The further I
read, the clearer became a vision of beleaguered
sysadmins
wading through virtual heaps of trolling reports, doggedly
searching for the one out of every thousand that involves
actual bullying. |
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Sometimes we need to take the things that
people say with a teaspoon of forgiveness. |
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[FlyingToaster]: I apologize for offending you. I
think you misread me but I'm sure you didn't quite
intend things the way I took them either.
Obviously we both got upset. Only people who
give a can get upset, so that's not entirely bad. |
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And [Alterother], he seems to have some insight
so he must be very old, much older than I thought
he was until this day. |
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There are many lessons to be learned yet.. |
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What we need now are troll-fit sunglasses which decode the now-mandatorily scrambled Internet pages and deliver an electric shock should the wearer type anything embodied in an anti-troll lexicon. |
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Yeah, I'm friggin' ancient... what are you, some kind of age
discriminator?! |
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Well, Sir, I thought you were in your twenties with all
that wheeling or what you call that. |
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I'm 33. And I'm kidding; I took what you said as a
compliment. |
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Well, you should. You have good insight. I'm ten years
older than you, and all I got was nearsightedness. I
got Lasik once, but that was only good for seven
years. |
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Don't let it get to your head. |
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I could still take you to school, kiddo... |
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Thanks, [jmvw]. I wasn't trying to offer any profundities, I
just wanted to step in and blow the whistle on an
escalating situation. This is the Halfbakery, not the
Internet; when tempers flare and things start getting ugly,
somebody always takes the role of mediator. This time it
was me. All the same, I appreciate your remarks. I don't
think of myself as particularly wise, but somebody once
told me that itself is a mark of wisdom. Who knows? |
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I am e^(3.617). I find I age slower using exponentials. |
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I still feel that the statement "black people have different noses" is essentially ignorant and seemingly baseless. |
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On the other hand, the statement: //Black people
tend to have a much lower nose bridge than white
people// seems about as reasonable as any other
broad generalization. It may be innaccurate (I
don't know), but racist? |
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It's only "racist" if you believe that a low-bridged
nose is somehow inferior to a high-bridged nose. |
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If I'd pointed out that people from northern Italy
and from some regions of France tend to have
more prominent nose bridges than people from
Iceland, would anyone actually really care and
take umbrage in quite the way people have here? |
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[WcW], would you also find it baseless that I prefer to call
my genetic heritage 'Nordic' rather than 'Caucasian'? My
entire family are significantly taller, leaner, and blonder
than than the mean for white people. I have a long,
straight nose with a promenant bridge, and I too have
problems finding sunglasses that fit properly. |
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No, seriously, I do. They ride up too high on my face, and
they wobble when I turn my head. Why can't they make
sunglasses for Nordics like me? |
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I told my wife I posted this thing here. Two days
ago, I showed her how upset everyone got and
that it turned into a discussion about racism. |
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She was as surprised as I was. I was a little
embarrasssed to show it, because why can't you
say "black" without the concept racism entering
the discussion? That's embarrassing and I wish
people wouldn't have to see that. Her comment
was
"see, that just goes to show that racism is very
much alive". |
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Because some people can't handle someone
stating a simple fact like black people tend to have
a lower nose bridge. |
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Now it's two days later, someone flipped out, I got
upset and apologized and now we're still talking
about it. Holy moly. |
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I mean it's interesting enough to discuss racism,
but seriously - this post triggered that discussion?
Come on now. |
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I don't think there's anything we can say to change
the opinion of [WcW]. And that's fine by me. There is
no need. It's not my opinion, but hey. |
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And another thing. If you're black, you're black.
Not racist. You might be racist but that's
something else. You're just black. The whole
concept of racism isn't necessarily part of that.
But being black is part of you. |
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It's like being white is not related to racism, but
it's a little different, because for white people in a
predominantly white society, you don't stick out.
So the only time your race comes into focus might
be when racism is discussed. For black people,
chances are they're made aware of their ethnicity
a little more often. Not always, but more often. |
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This isn't necessarily a terrible thing, these
moments of being made aware are just a simple
fact of life. And I think that's what I'd like to point
out, that it's not terrible. |
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Or trying to put it in other words, I'd like to point
out that moments when the blackness is noticed
are not moments of someone doing injustice and
"racism". It's just an accepted fact of life. And if
you're white and these things happen, don't
worry. It's cool and try to laugh about it. |
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And I'll say that to [alterother], who was honest
and courageous enough to tell us about his being
somewhat startled when he meets people that
look different from those he knows. |
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What's different is when people are treated
differently because they're black, but we're not
talking about that now. |
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And that's probably about as good as I can point
that out. I'm a terrible writer sometimes. Heck, I'm
not a native English speaker. |
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Now I've been letting this distract me from work
and because of that I've been able less to go out
and have fun and I've got a lot of work and that
just goes to show what a fool I am. Being outside
makes me happy. |
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And peace to ALL of you. You're a cool crowd. |
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I think you're precisely correct, [jmvw]. There's nothing racist about acknowledging differences, in fact it can be kind of awesome. |
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// It's only "racist" if you believe that a low-bridged nose is somehow inferior to a high-bridged nose. |
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[MaxwellBuchanan] you almost had it there. It's also racist if you believe that a high-bridged nose is somehow inferior to a low-bridged nose. |
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[jmvw] In the absende of a 'like' button - LIKE/
I had the same converstaion today. Treat people like people. |
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// It's also racist if you believe that a high-bridged
nose is somehow inferior to a low-bridged nose// |
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Like those people who have an issue with what they
perceive to be "Jewish" nose profiles. |
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Nah this is actually alright if you think about it because it
doesn't say all black people. |
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Which is pretty much the rant I was not prepared
to post when I raised my concerns on July 9. |
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Glasses designed for the Asian market are already
designed to sit slightly differently on the nose
than those for other markets, so the whole idea
here is unoriginal. |
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There are no "black" people. We're all varying
shades of pink, yellowish, brownish and even
bluish (in the Bougainville islands off PNG) but I've
never seen someone who is actually black. |
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It's that part of the annotations where, having run out of other things to argue about, everyone gets overly literal. |
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Suggestion: sister site - The HalfArguary. |
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I believe there's somewhere called the Overbakery
(?), where [WcW] could go and continue the
argument. |
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Having intelligent discourse about racism is interesting,
but the idea of 'low nasal bridge eyewear' includes this idea. |
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// I've never seen someone who is actually black. // |
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Some of the inhabitants of regions of North-East Africa have remarkable levels of melanin in their dermal tissues, and in average illumination appear truly "black". |
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// unoriginal and probably racist. // |
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<stops working on idea involving Gas Ovens> |
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Earnestly wishing to appear racist, prejudiced and insensitive, we choose this moment to point out that the word "Negro" is in the Spanish and Portuguese languages quite simply the commonplace word for the colour black, and has no other pejorative implications. |
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We say this only in order to upset people. |
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I'm pretty sure you don't need to say anything in
order to upset people. |
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It is instructive to note that the use on occasion of the term "Gunga Din" in the British Army to refer to soldiers with ancestry in the Indian Subcontinent is not considered an insult, but a rather a term of affection, approbation and indeed praise; those who interpret it otherwise have simply never bothered to read the poem from which the name comes. |
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