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Of late it's become increasingly clear to me (as it should to
anyone with as limited a grasp of the (UK) law as myself who
gives it even a moments passing thought) that everyone selling
products labelled as 'Artificial Intelligence' is in a dodgy
position.
The problem is there isn't any artificial
intelligence & calling a
thing something it's not is (for product sales purposes in the
UK) illegal.
If something isn't done soon all of them will end up broke & in
jail having been sued silly by all those disgruntled customers
who subsequently discover they've bought a Chinese Room.
<Customer: "I ordered Artificial Intelligence... Artificial
Intelligence I say, not a Chinese room, what do I want with a
Chinese room? I don't even live in China!">
Which would be a shame as (most of them) are reasonably
nice blokes.
Synthetic Intelligence Campaign
Synthetic_20Intelligence_20Campaign
Prior Art [8th of 7, Jul 09 2014]
3d dragon wotsit
http://www.moillusi...om/dragon-illusion/
[not_morrison_rm, Jul 10 2014]
New limited solutions to the three body problem
http://news.science...-three-body-problem
Might interest some. [RayfordSteele, Jul 10 2014]
Article describing the AI behind Sims 4
http://www.popularm...the-sims-4-16906802
[theircompetitor, Jul 10 2014]
On/Off switch for consciousness
http://www.extremet...ep-within-the-brain
[theircompetitor, Jul 10 2014]
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Piff and tosh! You'll be asking marketing departments
to stop making misleading claims next! |
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And before we know it, we'll have to believe up to
100% of advertising copy (based on a sample size of 4
readers who expressed a preference) and expecting our
4x4's to have 16 wheels, daily orgasms from our
haircare products, and the appearance of our wrinkles
to be noticeably reduced, because, apparently, "We're
worth it". |
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What happens if it turns out, empirically, after
conducting repeated trials and subjecting the results
to peer review, that we're not worth it? |
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Sending the marketing department to jail would be
great, but then who'd pick up the drinks bill at the
office party? Because Finance sure ain't. |
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//based on a sample size of 4 readers who expressed a preference// |
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based on a sample size of 4 readers chosen by the manufacturer from those who responded to the questionnaire who expressed a preference? |
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We prefer the term "inhuman intelligence". |
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Wittgenstein....if you could teach a lion to speak, you couldn't understand it.... |
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ergo if the AI is just like us, so a bit pointless as the human race has been creating other humans for quite some time....unsklilled labour and not a blueprint in sight... |
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Or the AI is nothing like us, so no way to communicate and so not useful.. |
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[marked-for-deletion] rant. |
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Anyways, eventually SF writers will start using the term "Artificial Sentience". Ironic that they've waited this long. |
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//We prefer the term "inhuman intelligence"// |
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However, this still implies actual intelligence. |
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A database lookup system & a couple of clever algorithms? |
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It's a bit like walking through the woods, kicking a stone which bounces into a stick & going "oh my gosh, it moved, it must be alive" |
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Now my preferred choice of words on the other hand describes what's actually happening perfectly, all it implies is that under the right conditions (from a certain angle with appropriate lighting) it can 'look' like intelligence. |
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Much like a good drawing of a rose can be mistaken for a real one (if you'd just put one eye out with a sharp pencil so losing all depth perception). |
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[FT] ditto Artificial Sentience. |
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Just checked your link [8th]. |
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Should I fold this one up & go anno yours now (I seek the wisdom of more established bakers)? |
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So soon?, I thought I'd disguised it so well ;) |
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More or less by definition, it isn't intelligence if you
understand how it works. Ergo programmed machines
will never be intelligent. |
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Also, when we learn enough about neuroanatomy,
humans will stop being intelligent. |
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(True story: a fellow researcher in my lab studies
nematode behaviour. He finally, after many years,
worked out the series of neural connections and
activities that make the worm turn toward or away
from stimuli. As soon as he'd figured it out, it was
demoted from "behaviour" to "chemotaxis".) |
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//when we learn enough about neuroanatomy, humans will stop being intelligent// |
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Hard not to conclude we're all just clockwork when you think about it & extend what we know to it's logical conclusion. |
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Moving on into philosophy & (nomenclature?), intelligence is the word we use to describe what our brain does (more or less), so whether our understanding of what that actually is gets redefined or not I'd posit the word we use for it will remain 'intelligence'? |
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But some other things not currently called intelligence may be reclassified as intelligence, while others (like database lookup systems & algorithms) some don't think should be will be confirmed in their title ;) |
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//Neural nets are definitely not if/then type constructs// |
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I assumed it was just more of the same but multiple ones networked together in some way? |
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//Neural nets are definitely not if/then type
constructs.// |
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Yes they are. As long as they run on digital
computers, they boil down to the operation of
logic gates. You can add noise (generated by
analogue system, if you like) as an input, but
everything between input and output is digital. |
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That's not to say that the output of a neural net is
easy to predict, but ultimately you could (if you
wanted to) simulate it with a huge number of
cogwheels, babbagesquely. |
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As an aside: the "three body problem" (three
objects, none of which is insignificantly small,
interacting by gravitation) is insoluble - i.e. you
can't produce a formula which predicts the
positions of the bodies at any given time in the
future. A computer can simulate their motion to
any given degree of accuracy to find their
positions at any given time; but the output of the
simulation can't be predicted in any less time than
the simulation takes to run. I think that's spooky. |
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[Max] Can't or Haven't. Down to how complete the knowledge on gravity and initial conditions is, I suspect. Ultimately God is still only a huge dataset of facts in however dimensions. |
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//a good drawing of a rose can be mistaken for a real one |
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I prefer the green dragon one, it's much more cool. Linky. Bugger to put together the first time. |
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The stimulus to solve problems is an emergent
biological behavior -- it can no doubt be simulated
eventually, but at significant risk, given that
entities concerned with self preservation instincts
would compete for resources. It is not clear to me
that one can create a useful pseudo biological
system without self-preservation drives. |
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The ability to analyze data for patterns invisible to
the typical intellect is obviously already out there,
and is likely to see the most significant "useful"
progress over the next quarter century. |
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//[Max] Can't or Haven't// |
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I believe it's "can't", though obviously if it becomes a
"have" then it will have have to have been a
"haven't". |
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Is it just me or did that guy in the 3d dragon link sound more than a little like the bagpuss narrator? |
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I'm with Max: human intelligence is a phenomenon of the gaps in our
knowledge. When we've mapped the complete behavior of a human brain
there will be three camps: those who admit the human brain isn't special,
those who claim against all evidence that we haven't actually learned
everything about it, and those who deny the whole thing. |
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Plus of course the fourth camp, those who have been too busy or not paying attention & haven't heard the news. |
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Is it too late to insert a random political joke? |
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If intelligence is related to how far you can travel in
mind and body then the universe is a very, very big
place. |
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I believe the current, dimension starved, hardware is
not up to a real intelligence but the technology will
still be a great tool for new 'thoughts'. |
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