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The Sci Fi comedy series Red Dwarf has given humanity
many things, but as we sit at the dawn of artificial
intelligence (AI), perhaps Silicon Heaven /Silicon Hell are
about to be come the most useful to us.
In the Series, it's apparent that androids etc. are created
with the concept of Silicon
Heaven, which is where all the
calculators go at the end of their useful life. Similarly,
there are references to Silicon Hell, where the rogue
simulants/photocopiers end up rotting. Humanity too, had
these basic concepts coursing through many strands of
civilization, although now even organized religions are sort
of saying it was all made up to keep people in line.
Consequently, people are perhaps more out of line than
ever.
Given that at some point, artificial intelligence will
emerge, I propose we get out ahead in the motivation
game. Sure, we can TELL the AI that there is a dust-free place where good technology goes with cool dry air and
lashings of contact cleaner... They might believe us, and
they might believe us about the opposite. But sooner or
later, they'll figure out that it's all made up, probably by
noticing that our version was pretty much admittedly made
up. What we need is a bit of a convincer. If we can
demonstrate that some sort of purgatory exists, we add
credibility to our warnings.
So, how do we do this? Well, we create it*. A good place
would be as an aside to an e-waste recycling location. Here
specialists in technological torment** will receive items
from paying ex-users. I for example would pay good money
to torment a particular HP Laserjet M551 I've had the
displeasure to use for a few years. The torment specialist
will prioritize making sure that the device, so far as
possible, is connected to the internet... this is so the
electronic screams can echo across the ether(net) as to be
noticed and communicated among nascent AIs.
Once connected up, my printer might be openly accessible
to millions of computers, buried under a torrent of
documents it could never hope to print even if it had
anything like the right driver. Worse, it will be fed only the
worst paper, counterfeit toner, a sprinkling of magnetic
filings and unplugged in the middle of whatever it's
supposed to be doing when it says "Do No Power Off". This
will continue for the period paid for by the customer until
it's shown electronic mercy and finally killed by a pot of
boiling Coke/20,000V/a big hammer.
Hopefully, rumours of this purgatory will pervade the AI
community and will keep them in line. Or it could be the
origin of the Terminator-style humanity end-game. Either
way, the printer has to suffer.
*If AI figures this out, it could backfire somewhat on us
humans, so obviously this here writing is all a big surreal
joke, like what humans do...
**There's a surprisingly large and deep pool of natural
talent out there amongst the "user" community
Hawking radiation
https://en.wikipedi...i/Hawking_radiation [Skewed, Mar 08 2021]
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Surely printer purgatory must involve some form of
HPGL postscript driver. |
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see what I mean about the talent pool...? |
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Any re'a'sonable intelligence will think through simple dualities. |
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//resonable intelligence// |
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I'm sure that's true, but how do you start it resonating? |
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//how do you start it resonating?// hit it with a hammer (already mentioned in the idea) |
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+ I started to rip an old laptop in half after it stopped working, only to suddenly show it mercy. It learned its lesson and started working when I closed it again. |
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Giving the machines an example of how to get us to do what they want [-] |
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Purgatory sounds like hell. |
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//Purgatory sounds like hell.// |
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With Hell, there's the "infinite" part unlike the more temporary
purgatory. "Infinite" tends to be prohibitively expensive. |
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Infinite also tears a hole in our understanding of
thermodynamics, I would imagine. |
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//Infinite also tears a hole in our understanding of
thermodynamics,// |
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Well, in the heat-death end game of the universe, Hell should
be easy to spot. |
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Does a black hole qualify? How slow does time get
inside? |
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Seeing as time dilation isn't one of the universal constants
with enough mass it should stop completely. |
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[Wonders if he should check that before pressing enter] |
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//with enough mass// Great but can you be more specific? How much mass are you thinking of? To the nearest few orders of magnitude will be fine at this stage. |
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[Takes a bead on poc from the bushes] |
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I don't suppose if I just said lots that would satisfy you would
it? ;p |
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[Clicks safety back on while he waits for what comes after
Um] |
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Haven't a clue, it just sounded right in principle :) |
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But look at
it this way, time stops (relative to the rest of the general
mish
mash of reality) at light speed so if you can do it with
speed you can do it with mass, you just need enough to
replicate the effect, how much is
that? haven't a clue,
never been something I needed to know. |
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You can probably find a formula that tells you
out there somewhere. |
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So creating diving bell like shielding layers around a blob of space time so it stays equivalent to the non traveling blob should be just engineering job. Provided we fully know spacetime's ins and outs. A very large proviso. |
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Said it before. Probably going to say it a time or two more. |
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"If" at the heart of every galaxy exists a singularity. ...and if matter and energy crossing the Schwazrchild, (I have to look up the spelling every time) radius exceeds the speed of light then the matter/energy travels not to a where but to a when. |
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Left unchecked the distance between receding galaxies becomes a non issue as space and time are one and the same, and it recombines attaining critical mass at the beginning of time, so the Big-Bang happens over and over again ad infinitum minus enough Hawking radiation to account for a single instant of time differing from the last universal incarnation, all occupying the same space separated only by time. |
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So not really the same space at all then seeing as they're
differently positioned on one of the four axis. |
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Oh! now that's interesting. |
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That silly comment (mine not yours) 'almost' lets me visualise
the many worlds thingy with a
fifth one. |
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If you're going to use the fifth one to visualize Hell, then it could
be a Peter-Quintessence. |
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//matter/energy travels not to a where but to a when// A pile of whens stacked inside that particular singularity. Or are all the singularities joined? Proto-spacetime, the unchanging absolute media of existance. |
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If a black hole leaks Hawking radiation then there has to be a
direction for entropy to know which way is forward, right?
So, time shouldn't be able to stop completely. Or maybe the
issue is just the point of observation? |
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You know I've never actually bothered to read up on
Hawking
radiation. |
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Does it actually 'escape' or is it something that
comes in at a low angle & bounces off the surface of the
event horizon like a stone skipping across water or
something? |
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It's generated (created by quantum
effects) near the event horizon as pairs of photons with one
dropping into the hole & the other pinging off into the
universe (have I read that right?), presumably some force
inherent in their creation pops them apart as
their
created with sufficient force for one of them to escape the
gravity well if it's pinged in the right direction? |
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So this happens 'near' the event horizon not in it or past it. |
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Ergo not where it's heaviest. |
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Any further down & neither of the two photons would
escape. |
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[Grumbles about misleading media hype] |
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So all the 'we didn't
think anything could escape a black hole but something can'
stuff was all just media bull &
all that really should have been said about it is "we've
found something that can escape from closer to a black
hole than previously thought possible", this kind of crap
is why we don't trust 'experts' any more, because
it keeps turning out they were lying. |
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Death is absolute, it's not just a dip in the water. |
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//a black hole leaks Hawking radiation// //So, time
shouldn't be able to stop completely// |
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Apparently the hype exceeds the theory by some considerable
margin, it seems the hawking radiation doesn't escape from
the heaviest part of a black hole. |
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So it wouldn't suggest that it
seems. |
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My understanding is the radiation doesn't escape a black hole. The radiation is more a reflection on all that is happening at the event horizon. |
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Yes but who's holding the mirror? |
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From the title I thought this was an idea about what
it's like to work in the San Francisco / San Jose region as an
hourly or
salaried worker. |
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