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For whatever reason, people have died trapped in shipping
containers. It would be very easy to include an interior
release mechanism (that overcomes whatever locks and
seals) to allow escape of trapped people
BBC Updates & Summary
https://www.bbc.co....land-essex-50152633
[Skewed, Oct 23 2019]
Typical container latch
https://www.alamy.c...ainer-17163803.html
Just unbolt the two bolts on each clasp and push it away from the door. [scad mientist, Oct 24 2019]
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Given the rod-and-camlock design of standard shipping containers it is impossible to engineer an interior release. |
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It's impossible to lock oneself inside a container. |
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If shut in, the best thing to do is bang on the side which makes a loud noise and attracts attention. |
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// it is impossible to engineer an interior release.// I don't
believe that. Even if it were true, you could always put a new
door in the other end of the container (or set into the existing
door) with a mechanism openable only from the inside. On
the other hand, who is going to pay for a safety feature for
people who shouldn't be there in the first place? |
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But were the recent deaths in a container? The reports
suggested they were in a non-container lorry. |
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//were the recent deaths in a container?// |
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Reports variously call it a refrigerated unit, a shipping
container of refrigerated type & a trailer, enough
pictures here (link) to judge for yourself. |
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A release from inside would be simple to devise.
All it needs do is open the back of the slots where
the bar cams lock into position, then pushing
against the doors from the inside would open
them. Meanwhile, wouldn't a quick air sample
analysis from any container would reveal the
presence of human breath? |
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Yes, then Zyklon-B could be be introduced through the same aperture. |
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I'm with [Frankx] on that one. |
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And, looking at the news footage, it seems to have been a
refrigerated lorry rather than a container. |
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Engineering a solution is not difficult. It would
probably not be practicable to retrofit to existing
containers. Given the standardisation of containers
through ISO, if mandated, it could be incorporated
in future containers for a negligible cost delta per
unit. |
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From the photos, it’s a “reefer” - a refrigerated
container. |
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Jeezus. That explains why I couldn't get mine lit. |
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Well, it might not be needed, but it looks to me like it
wouldn't be very hard at all to design an easily retrofitted
internal release mechanism on a standard shipping
container. Typically, the handle that rotates the CAM lock
is held in place by a pad-lockable clasp that is bolted to
the door (see photo in link). So all you need to do is
replace the bolts holding the clasp with something that
can be released from the inside without tools. One of
those bolt replacements needs to be long a couple feet
long so it can be used to push the handle away from the
door to rotate the cams. Put a joint in it so it can fold
flat against the inside of the door when not in use. |
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For roll-up doors I think you'd just need to unbolt the
latch from the door. |
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I thought everyone was aware that shipping containers are regularly converted into housing, with emergency exits and everything. That's how 8th got out of his containment unit. |
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Why the fuss ? Containers are designed, for very good reasons, to be airtight and watertight. They are not passenger vehicles (altho those who choose to daily attempt non-erotic compression asphyxia on London Underground might have reason to question that). |
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We suggest not a door release mechanism, but an internally accessible EPIRB. If you are stuck inside, hit the luminescent alarm button. An internationally recognized radio signal summons assistance. If you are legitimately in the container (mistakes do happen), smile and thank your rescuers. If not, that's your problem. |
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No need to modify the containers at all other than a small waterproof gland through which to pass the antenna feeder cable. Reefers already have passthroughs for the refrigerant circuit and the thermostat wiring. Put an audio sounder outside too, for purely local alerting. |
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This improves safety, but does not encourage or enable self-smuggling. |
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Turns out they were Chinese, I seem to recall another large
number of Chinese dead in a shipping container or some
such
only a few years back? & then there was the group drowned
on
the mud flats (a cocle picking workgang wasn't it, all illegal
migrants & also Chinese?) not that long back. |
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Makes me wonder, do we have a particular problem (as in
there being more
deaths associated with them than other nationalities) with
trafficking & slave gangs exploiting Chinese nationals in the
UK? |
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It seems more likely that it is China that has a problem with citizens wanting to leave. |
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The impulse to travel arises both from an alternative location being attractive, and your current location being unattractive. Hence the prevalence of tourism, where humans move to another location for a relatively short period, then return voluntarily to their starting point. |
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A permanent relocation is less common, but far from impossible. |
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All true but that wasn't my question, the object of my
curiosity was more along the lines of 'are Chinese nationals
availing themselves of illegal relocation
services to the UK more at risk of death than other nationals
in a similar position'. |
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Well, sounds like there's an easy sociology Ph.D. in there for someone. |
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It's not possible to say if that someone is Chinese or not without further research. |
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//No, we just beamed out. // I've told you before, just
saying "wooooooo00000OOOOOOO" while you move from one
place to another is not, technically "beaming". |
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