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This is a political party based on the following:
1. every problem is ultimately social in nature and it can best
worked out by small groups of people in an environment that our
bodies were best designed for -- small groups interacting via eye
contact, body language, talking on top of each other,
fist fights,
2. small social groups naturally run on a hierarchy of sexual
selection, and the letters of the language are eye contact and the
gestural information that precedes and follows it, scratching to
signal preference and the direction of power, and other stuff that
has been really carefully documented in primate studies,
3. gestural information is "handed" in that it is performed on one
side of the body or the other based on the direction of power
4. A yogic practice should be worked out that teaches people in
small social groups to "scratch on the opposite side" than they
have
an instinct to, thus the "scratch-posite" party. So that once
people
become fluent with this ability to scratch and gesture opposite to
what their instincts tell them, they will be able to reverse the
natural direction of sexual selection which is what gets us into
limited resource problems and political trouble.
So this political party would be where all political discussion
involved the social deconstruction in a small group environment of
the real issues at hand, based on this yogic practice, and where
not all of the discussions devolved into orgiastic revelry, so that
there could be some kind of administration.
The other day I was at a meeting of about 10 people sitting in a
circle, and i was between two people, one of whom
felt very empowered and the other of whom felt very
disempowered. The empowered one was talking and was working
up to a very show-
offy moment and I felt an itch coming on on the arm that was
closest
to the empowered one and then I remembered reading that these
itches are really social and come from the networked behavior of
our
symbiont parasites including viral, bacterial and fungal
communities
that evolved along with us and our neurology. So as the itch
suddenly bloomed right at the point of group laughter at the joke
of
the empowered one, I on purpose lifted the arm with the itch --
instead of the opposite one -- and scratched the arm on the
opposite
side from the empowered speaker, toward the person who felt the
most disempowered in the room. That person waited a second
and a
half after the laughter and then dropped their coffee. I don't
know what
that says exactly actually.
(?) About the modern Extinction Event
http://www.actionbi...iers/eldredge2.html
As mentioned in an annotation [Vernon, Mar 17 2013]
On eating the fish in the sea
http://www.business...the-sea-2011-6?op=1
As mentioned in an annotation [Vernon, Mar 17 2013]
Starving Sea Lions
http://www.mercuryn...alcoast/ci_12943258
The idiot writing this news article doesn't seem to know that humans have been overfishing! [Vernon, Mar 18 2013]
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I agree with your last sentence. The rest of it loses me. |
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I agree with the first 15 words in clause 3. |
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+ Here's a bun for the story. I liked it, esp. the when the person dropped their coffee. I think you have ESP. |
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Come on [nmrm], I can go all the way up to 18. |
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From there it degrades into complete and utter
bunk. |
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That was the furthest I was prepared to wager on, that if you wiggle your arm around, it will happen on one side of your body. |
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I will disagree with some of the phrasing in Item 1.
Most problems that humanity experiences are
caused very simply by overpopulation. Yes, this
obviously involves social interaction both before
and after extra mouths-to-feed begin to exist, and
so Item 1 is not entirely wrong. |
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But it is misleading, in that the proposed social
system is an attempt to get people to get along
with each other in spite of overpopulation, rather
than directing social interactions toward the
actual root of the problem by encouraging
reducing and preventing overpopulation. |
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"Most problems that humanity experiences are
caused simply by overpopulation" |
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I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. |
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On the topic of the actual idea, the entire thing
seems to hinge on the concept that human
nonverbal communication is heavily and
fundamentally similar to certain behaviors
observed in primates, including the power
hierarchy and social structure observed, boiling
down to "where you stand in the social hierarcy
determines your scratching technique, and vice
versa." This would appear to be even more wrong
than the comment above. |
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Also something about itches being telepathically
transmitted and subliminal communication or
something. I don't know. |
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[Vernon] Welcome to the cross. |
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Tics are social gestures meant to tell other people things. Stop making the tics that make other people disregard you and more people will respect you and you will get laid. |
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[Hive Mind], I am absolutely correct. Just for
starters, consider the amount of CO2 emissions,
globally, if the total world population was 1/2
billion instead of 7 billion. Obviously more people
are associated with more CO2 and hence more
human-caused Global Warming. |
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Or, consider the fact that as most cities expand,
they tend to be paving over farmland. How is it
logical to think that that can continue
indefinitely, when a growing population obviously
needs more and more farmland to support it? |
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Then there is war, often caused by egotistical
maniacs, but also often caused by population
pressure. The recent genocides in Africa and even
the Balkans was more about getting rid of one
group of people so that the other group could
take over territory, than it was about ideology. |
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If you want to claim that MOST problems of
humanity are NOT ultimately derived from
overpopulation, then I invite you to provide some
evidence supporting your statement. |
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There is a sense in which a very small population would make things easier, but that doesn't make it the best solution to the problem. To be extreme, a world with a population of three dozen would not have any problems associated with carbon dioxide emissions or using up resources, but it would also lack the ability to acquire most mineral resources or the brainpower to solve certain problems. This may seem like a silly example, but a larger population would have more people able to solve a wider range of problems. Having said that, overpopulation is a problem in the sense that the Doomsday Argument seems to make it more likely that we will be alive towards the end of the history of the human race if population increases exponentially simply by virtue of seeing yourself as a random sample. |
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I think we will find an optimized configuration of
biomass for the planet and then start to run an
increasing number of minds on that network. So
maybe its 10 billion people and lots more algae or
something like that, and then keep it constant and
start to run multiple minds on that platform, which
would eventually mean having the 10 billion people
do really regular predictable things like alternately
running in place, having sex and then falling asleep,
in a sort of world wide square dance, with algae
inbetween. |
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It is quite possible to have overpopulation-caused
problems without the planet actually being
overpopulated. For example, consider the crime
rate in the average small town vs just about any
city. The large population of the city enables
more anonymity than exists in the small town,
and some people misuse it. |
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There is also the aspect of (quote by Robert
Heinlein, character Lazarus Long): "Put too many
rats in a cage and some will go mad. Humans are
the only creatures that voluntarily do this to
themselves." So a city can be likened to a cage
with an overpopulation problem, in which some
people go mad. And as previously mentioned, this
is independent of whether or not the world as a
whole was also overpopulated. |
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The mention of biomass in another anno is also
relevant. IN GENERAL, the total biomass on the
planet is constant; it merely shifts forms between
living organisms, dead organisms, and
biowaste/nutrients. So, it logically follows that
the more humans, the less of other organisms
there can be. Is it therefore any wonder that the
planet is currently experiencing the greatest
Extinction Event, of species all over, since the
large dinosaurs died? |
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So, to the extent we might think that other
organisms might be worth having around --
dolphins to play with, for example-- we need to
stop breeding like dumb animals, converting
limited biomass into an increasing human
population. In the case of dolphins, we are in the
process of eating all the fish in the sea --the
dolphins will eventually starve to extinction, see? |
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According to Homeopathy, the positioning of water
molecules (and other
non-
organisms) relative to each other and to the earth's
magnetic field,
could be a substrate for
higher-complexity organic behavior. So, on one hand,
plants and
animals can be seen as wave crests of
complexity or stitches between the fabrics of matter
and
energy, but on the other, they could be seen as
cross-sections of something that is going on across multiple
dimensions
or at many levels of
resolution. |
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Individual viruses may not be very
complex but the "programs" that run on the
substrate created by the relationships between all
of the individual viruses as they attack an animal
might have a complexity that rivals the animal. |
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//greatest Extinction Event//
//to the extent we might think that other
organisms might be worth having around -- we
need to stop breeding// |
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The periodicity of extinctions may be related
hierarchically
to the cycles of muscle contraction in the
orgasmic
phase of sexual response, so overpopulation
problems may be directly related to breeding. |
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The oddity of it is that he still manages to form complete sentences, although I haven't the faintest clue what coherence there really is. |
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If we had a population of 1 person per continent, most of our problems would go away, although I don't envy the guy who gets stuck with Antarctica. |
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//According to Homeopathy// I'm assuming you're
being ironic, sardonic or rather than moronic. |
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I've been in a lot of council circles, and when someone begins scratching a lot, thoughts tend to turn not to forming an itch-based political party, but to fears of catching distinctly non-symbiotic parasites. If folk not only dropped their coffee, but kept their distance from you, that might be what you experienced, JesusH. |
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//the dolphins will eventually starve to extinction, |
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They can just eat more swimmers, when no one is watching. |
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At this point, I'd like to nominate [JesusHChrist] as
some sort of highly advanced chatbot. Probably a fork
of the same codebase that produced [Treon] and the
updated entity known as [beanangel]. |
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While I commend this fantastically interesting
experiment in artificial intelligence and "culture
jamming", I really would wish they'd open-source the
project. I'd love to just have [JHC] running on my
computer as a screensaver or something. |
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