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Power stations are simple machines. First, you acquire a
source of heat. Burning things is the traditional approach
but there's also nuclear fission, geothermal and a couple
of
variations of solar. The heat is then used to boil water
and
make pressurized steam. This has been the gold standard
for a long time, since Newcomon was a lad.
Steam is good at making things move, pistons were
fashionable while chaps with regional British accents
were
inventing the Industrial revolution*. Subsequently, the
steam turbine was invented by a British chap with
probably
a non-regional accent. He immediately attached it to an
electrical generator** and things haven't changed much
since.
So, a power station might involve the burning of gas, the
boiling of water to make pressurized steam, passage of
that steam through a turbine and.... well, you could just
let it out the back, but then you'd waste the nice, pure
and expensive water. Instead, they route the steam
through
pipes immersed in pools of regular water until it
condenses, then pipe it back to the start of the loop.
This
is a good system, you can recycle the pure water and
condensing at the back of the turbine makes a
lovely pressure gradient.
Sadly, condensing steam heats the cooling water and it
evaporates in huge clouds out of the cooling towers so
often seen at power stations. This is wasted energy.
Quite
a lot of it. There have been schemes to distribute this
spare heat, heating nearby communities and such but
almost always it is just dumped to the atmosphere.
Now, the sort of turbines power stations operate have an
exhaust temperature around 75C range as far as I can
work
out. This can be used to boil a range of liquids but
ethanol
and methanol spring to mind. Using your exhaust steam
you can boil alcohol to create whole lot of pressurized
alcohol vapor*** while condensing your primary circuit
MORE efficiently. This alcohol vapor may spin another
turbine and another generator. After this, you'll need to
condense your alcohol vapor to get the optimal delta p
across the turbine, just like the steam in a normal
station.
This will have a smaller temperature differential, so the
cooling tower will be less efficient, but the total heat
being rejected is now smaller, so probably a swings and
roundabouts situation. Anyhow, if it doesn't work I've
got
plans for a 3rd stage using ether.... while
Canada/Russia/Scandiwegia may be interested in my
Butane 4th stage.
Once this is up and running, small amounts of alcohol
might be drawn off and sold in the gift shop for those
who
really appreciate efficiency, and booze with just a hint
of
dissolved turbine lubricant.
*The crank was key here, before that industry was
entirely
linear. Progress was constrained by the number of young
boys available to retrieve and re-install pistons.
**Attaching one to a battleship caused a bit of a kerfuffle
in the Naval world.
***Annoying how "steam" only applies to water..
The Museum Of RetroTech
http://www.douglas-...m/MUSEUM/museum.htm You name it, it's been tried. [8th of 7, Feb 09 2018]
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Sounds good to me. Presumably, a liquid/vapour nitrogen loop could be appended for yet further efficiencies. |
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"Topping" and "Bottoming" cycles for energy recovery, using all sorts of working fluids - sodium, hydrogen, mercury, gasoline - are Baked and WKTE. |
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Water boils at 373.15 K and ethanol boils at 351.65 K. |
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If you condense your steam to water at 373.15 K while also
producing ethanol vapour at this temperature, the subsequent
ethanol-based stage can achieve a maximum efficiency of 1 -
(351.65 / 373.15) = ~5.8%, by the Carnot cycle. This hardly seems
worth it. |
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With butane you can get down to 272.15 K giving you an extra 27%
efficiency. You'll need a way of getting rid of a few gigawatts of heat
at -1 deg C, though. |
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(Maybe the methane clathrate at the bottom of the ocean could be
used as a heatsink? Nah, that might upset a few people.) |
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// This hardly seems worth it. // |
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When you're generating Gigawatts, it most assuredly is. Just a few percent of net gain, in a highly competitive market, is worthwhile. |
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Obviously the capital outlay can be high but if it's built with the plant, rather than as bolt-on accessory, the costs can be kept down to an acceptable level. |
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I think the power station people would take 5%. That's a
pretty big jump. |
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[8th] I'm going to be stuck in that website for some time. |
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I was kind of assuming that most of that theoretical 5.8% would be
lost as heat due to inefficiencies in the plant, but I suppose if you're
generating gigawatts, you have to be able to reduce your
inefficiencies to way below a few percent, or your power station will
melt. |
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// I'm going to be stuck in that website for some time. // |
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Yes, sorry about that. Look, for the next month, we'll drop food parcels and flares and stuff ... if we don't see you again by then we'll send in the search teams. |
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Remember, the food is only useful if you actually eat it. It's no good getting hypnotised by the gyrocars, or the square-piston engines, and forgetting to take in any nutrients. The bleached skeletons all around, still staring in rapture at the exhibits, should be sufficient warning. |
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Forewarned is forearmed... bookmarked for later devouring. |
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//The bleached skeletons all around, still staring in rapture
at the exhibits, should be sufficient warning.// |
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You assume starvation is the cause of bleached skeletons?
Not the boiling potassium exhibit? |
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No, it calcines the bones completely. |
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// bookmarked for later devouring. // |
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<doubles up order for survival packs> |
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We''l get you out, but you actually have to want to leave. So very many are happy just to stay there, and die with a huge cheesy grin on their face. |
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It's not such a bad way to go. |
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Don't look to me for help. I just found my 35 year old copy of the CMOS Cookbook and I'm good for nothing. |
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Will we need some more accents? |
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