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Pinealopoly

 Hydroxylapatite? HAsbro? Is that latin for wets your appetite?
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Object Of Game:
Secure unlimited supply of disposable income through world domination at any cost.

Equipment:
Pinealopoly game board, several billion game pieces, printed money, control of info cards Chance and Circumstance and Die.

Set Up:
Convince population that life-saving chemical secretion glands within their minds, with bloodflow second only to their kidneys, are as disposable as tonsils or an appendix.
Introduce chemicals orally which collect within these glands to build calcification of PinealPlace and BioWiredWalk. Even convince people to pay to ingest chemicals.
Collect rental income from previous owners as supplemental income.
Roll the die, high roller goes first.
(Note: During the game, if you don’t have the exact bill to pay what you owe, the Banker will make change for you.)


Spirit Molecule http://www.amazon.c...ences/dp/0892819278
[JesusHChrist, Sep 29 2012]

Urbanites and schizophrenia http://www.schizoph...ention/country.html
Source of urban legend? [4and20, Sep 30 2012]

Global Pandemic Alerts Global_20Pandemic_20Alerts
The same game (selling drugs to healthy people), just a slightly different theme. [DrBob, Oct 01 2012]

Apparently there s no Pinealopoly after all. http://www.antitrus...pineapple-monopoly/
[AusCan531, Oct 02 2012]

[link]






       Have you been eating the stuff off the seal on your refrigerator door?
—MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 29 2012
   

       He's just channeling [beanangel] ...   

       Either that, or partaking of [bungston]'s funny mushrooms. It's the right season for them in the Northern hemisphere.
—8th of 7, Sep 29 2012
   

       I don't know what form of substance that mad moose- sniffer is high on, but now he's got _me_ seeing double.
—Alterother, Sep 30 2012
   

       Try searching for "hypermelatoninism".
See how far you get.		   

       Until then, some light reading;
A compilation of factoids with references. Sorry if there are font changes, I copied them as I found them.		   

         

       The pineal may also serve as a somatic interface with other sources of environmental energy designated as extremely low frequency (ELF) electric and magnetic-field exposure. Wilson, Stevens and Anderson (1989) reviewed studies of ELF electromagnetic-field exposure in relation to health risks such as cancer, depression, and birth outcome (e.g. miscarriage, stillbirth). Citing work from their laboratory and elsewhere which shows that ELF field exposure alters the normal circadian rhythm of melatonin synthesis and release in the pineal gland, the authors present evidence which suggest pineal susceptibility to such sources:   

         

       Abstract   

       The pineal gland is an adaptive organ that precisely regulates the biological rhythms of melatonin brain hemostasis. Variation in the regulation of melatonin rhythms is a likely cause of depressive disorder. The purpose of this study was to measure serum melatonin levels in patients with major depressive disorder (MDD) and normal control subjects. Analytical cross-sectional study at the industrial medical unit of the Iron Smelting Company of Isfahan, Iran. The morning and nocturnal serum melatonin levels of patients and controls were measured using the enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) method. All data were assessed using variance analysis. The morning and nocturnal serum melatonin levels of depressed and healthy subjects differed (P < 0.05). The nocturnal serum melatonin levels of depressed women were lower than those of depressed men (P < 0.05). The findings of this study showed that the nocturnal serum melatonin levels in the depressed patients were lower than in the controls. Thus, the peak melatonin phase in the depressed patients was reached with delay. CLINICAL TRIAL REGISTRATION NUMBER: NCT01357083.   

       Department of Psychology Science and Research Branch, Islamic Azad University, Khouzestan, Iran.   

         

         

       Recent studies have suggested that bipolar patients may be at high risk for developing tardive dyskinesia (TD) if exposed to chronic neuroleptic therapy. It has been suggested that reduced melatonin secretion may favor the development of TD in bipolar and schizoaffective patients. Department of Psychiatry, Albert Einstein College of Medicine Bronx, New York, NY, 10461   

       The fact that fluoride's impact on the pineal gland was never studied, or even considered, before the 1990s, highlights a major gap in knowledge underpinning current policies on fluoride and health.   

       "It is remarkable that the pineal gland has never been analysed separately for F because it has several features which suggest that it could accumuate F. It has the highest calcium concentration of any normal soft tissue in the body because it calcifies physiologically in the from of hydroxyapatite (HA). It has a high metabolic activitity coupled with a very profuse blood supply: two factors favouring the deposition of F in mineralizing tissues. The fact that the pineal is outside the blood-brain barrier suggests that pineal HA could sequester F from the bloodstreatm if it has the same strong affinity for F as HA in the other mineralizing tissues (page 1). "After a half a century of the prophylactic use of fluorides in dentistry, we now know that fluoride readily accumulates in the human pineal gland. In fact, the aged pineal contains more fluoride than any other normal soft tissue... However, the pineal gland is unique in that it can be classified as a soft or as a mineralizing tissue. In terms of mineralized tissue, the mean fluoride concentration in the pineal calcification was equivalent to that in severely fluorosed bone and more than four times higher than in corresponding bone ash, i.e., 8,900 ± 7,700 vs. 2,040 ± 1,100 mg/kg, respectively. The calcification in two of the 11 pineals analysed in this study contained extremely high levels of fluoride: 21,800 and 20,500 mg/kg (page 167)." 1. Luke J (1997). The effect of fluoride on the physiology of the pineal gland. Ph.D. Thesis. University of Surrey, Guildord, UK --see 1997   

         

       The changes after pinealectomy in sheep are indicative of bone loss. Overall, these findings suggest that the pineal gland may influence bone metabolism and that pinealectomy can be used to induce bone loss in sheep.   

       Contrary to humans, naturally occurring osteoporosis is hardly found in animals, and osteoporosis can only be induced in them.   

       Melatonin is the principal substance secreted by the pineal gland with roles of biologic regulation of circadian rhythms, aging and reproduction. There is considerable interest in the potential role of melatonin in bone metabolism.   

       © 2011 Egermann et al; licensee BioMed Central Ltd.   

         

       Intracranial   

       calcification is occasionally an idiopathic feature and   

       therefore detailed biochemical and hormonal evaluation   

       is not carried out unless there is a high index of   

       suspicion. [17]. Physiological intracranial calcification is   

       asymptomatic and detected incidentally by   

       neuroimaging. [11] Several pathologic conditions   

       involving the pineal gland and choroid plexus are   

       associated with calcifications and the recognition of   

       their appearance and distribution helps narrow the   

       differential diagnosis. [8]. This study is only interested in   

       the age-related and physiological subset.   

       In this study, 116 (87.88%) out of 132 patients   

       studied had either pineal gland and/or choroid plexus   

       calcifications.. This is in agreement with the   

       commonplace of physiological intracranial calcifications   

       [8]. 55.15% of these calcifications were choroid   

       plexus calcification while 44.85% were pineal gland   

       calcifications, The total number of physiological   

       intracranial calcifications detected outnumbered the   

       studied population because of co-existent pineal and   

       choroid plexus calcifications in some patients. Such coexistence   

       was common with advancing age. Choroid   

       plexus calcification is known to be associated with   

       pineal gland calcification [21].   

       46.21% of the total studied populations had   

       pineal gland calcifications while 56.82% had choroid   

       calcifications. Pineal gland calcification is visible on   

       plain skull film in 33-76% in adults, but seen more   

       frequently on CT [7]. The above incidence of pineal   

       gland calcifications in this study is less than 2/3rd of the   

       population noted in other studies [1, 22]. This choroidal   

       calcification predominance has been reported by some   

       authors [17]. However a reversal of this pattern was   

       noted by other studies [3, 23]. [22]Admassie and   

       Mekonne reported an overall incidence of normal pineal   

       gland calcifications of 72.0% and that of choroid plexus   

       43.3%. Similarly, Daghighi et al observed 71% of their   

       1569 studied population had pineal gland calcifications   

       while 66.2% had choroid plexus calcifications [6].   

       It is pertinent that no choroid plexusn or pineal   

       gland physiological calcification was seen in any patient   

       below 9years of age. Choroid plexus calcifications in   

       patients less than 9 years is uncommon and pineal   

       gland calcifications under 9years of age may be   

       suggestive of a neoplasm [23]. The rarity of pineal gland   

       calcification in kids has even been brought down to   

       less than 6years and its presence in these kids less   

       than 6years suggest neoplasm [7]. [21]Doyle and   

       Anderson however observed 1% of pineal calcifications   

       in those less than 6 years [13]. [2]. Other studies found   

       in their study that only 2% of children between 0 to 8   

       years of age have calcifications of the choroids   

       plexus[1,4] and no pineal calcification was seen in   

       <5years of age[1]. Physiological calcification of the   

       choroid plexus on CT has been reported as early as   

       3years of age but it is uncommon in subjects less than   

       10years old[1,4] .However, Physiologic pineal   

       calcification is more common in children than previously   

       reported, mostly because of improving computed   

       tomography technology. [21]   

       © 2011 . Uduma, F.U. , Fokam P. , Okere , P.C.N., Motah , M.   

         

       Pineal Tumor Symptoms   

       Pineal region tumors arise in or near the pineal gland, which is a small midline structure located deep in the midbrain area, near many vital structures. The pineal gland is located next to the aqueduct of Sylvius, which serves as a passage allowing cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) to leave the center of the brain where it is first produced. Pineal tumors often compress this aqueduct, causing a build up of pressure of CSF in the brain (called hydrocephalus). Blockage of the flow of this fluid can cause some of the common presenting symptoms of these tumors, which include:   

       headache,   

       nausea and vomiting,   

       seizures,   

       memory disturbances, and   

       visual changes.   

       Medical Author:   

       Robert Ferry Jr., MD   

       Robert Ferry Jr., MD Robert Ferry Jr., MD, is a U.S. board-certified Pediatric Endocrinologist. After taking his baccalaureate degree from Yale College, receiving his doctoral degree and residency training in pediatrics at University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio (UTHSCSA), he completed fellowship training in pediatric endocrinology at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.   

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       Medical Editor:   

       Melissa Conrad Stöppler, MD, Chief Medical Editor   

         

       Melissa Conrad Stöppler, MD, Chief Medical Editor Melissa Conrad Stöppler, MD, is a U.S. board-certified Anatomic Pathologist with subspecialty training in the fields of Experimental and Molecular Pathology. Dr. Stöppler's educational background includes a BA with Highest Distinction from the University of Virginia and an MD from the University of North Carolina. She completed residency training in Anatomic Pathology at Georgetown University followed by subspecialty fellowship training in molecular diagnostics and experimental pathology.   

         

       Anthony James Doyle, Graeme D Anderson   

       Article Affiliation:   

       Department of Radiology, Middlemore Hospital, University of Auckland, Hospital Road, Otahuhu, Auckland 1006, New Zealand. adoyle@middlemore.co.nz   

       Abstract:   

       RATIONALE AND OBJECTIVES: To evaluate the prevalence of physiologic pineal calcification, estimate observer variability, and examine the association with choroid plexus calcification.   

       MATERIALS AND METHODS: A retrospective review of hard copy head computed tomography films of 242 patients age younger than 16 years by two independent observers.   

       RESULTS: Physiologic pineal calcification was present in 20% of the whole group, in 39% of those 8-14 years age, in 8% of those younger than 10 years age, and in 1% of those younger than age 6 years. Observer agreement was very good (kappa = 0.72). Choroid plexus calcification was present in 16% and was four times as common in those with pineal calcification (38% versus 10%, P = .005), with very good observer agreement (kappa = 0.74).   

       CONCLUSION: Physiologic pineal calcification is more common in children than previously reported, mostly because of improving computed tomography technology. There is an association with choroid plexus calcification.   

       I for one am fairly eager to hear [Beanangle]'s take on this.   

       See, you all pooh-poohed my wackjob-or-not.com idea, but this is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. If you didn't have prior knowledge that [2 fries] is not schizophrenic, you'd just dismiss this all as insane ramblings, instead of… er, never mind.
—ytk, Sep 30 2012
   

       Even if I am schizophrenic... truth is truth, no?
How far did you get with the Hypermelatoninism search?
Did you even search the term?		   

       If so, what was the percentage of hits randomly and hypertext-ually available without prescription in the US compared to useful information?   

       All the information on the pineal gland I need comes from H P Lovecraft .
—rcarty, Sep 30 2012
   

       too few references to play beanie sudoku.
—FlyingToaster, Sep 30 2012
   

       "whets".
—FlyingToaster, Sep 30 2012
   

       It's either stream-of-consciousness gibberish, or sophisticated Zen philosophy.   

       Or possibly both, or neither, simultaneously.
—8th of 7, Sep 30 2012
   

       Having skimmed through the tldr component, the executive summary seems to be that pineal calcification has all sorts of adverse effects; that fluoride may promote such calcification; and that fluoridation is a conspiracy. Is that about it?
—MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 30 2012
   

       Premature calcification of the pineal and other glands is the game.
Selling supplements containing meletonin, serotonin, tryptphan etc. etc. (forget about DMT) in order to stay healthy to those previously in possession of the ability to create their own, without revealing the true nature of the cause of their life-threatening symptoms, is the set-up.
Flouride is just the die.		   

       The loss of the ability to create one's own melatonin alone leads to pathelogic condidtions such as;
sleep disorders
anxiety disorders
depression
osteoperosis
migraine headaches
learning disabilities
tinnitus
vision problems
precocious puberty and,
In those with enlarged pineal glands this calcification leads to bi-polar disorder and schizophrenia.		   

       I'm sure that there are many other symptoms, but it's kind of hard to tell given how thoroughly it has been researched and how widely that knowledge has been disseminated...   

       That we as consumers are so hoodwinked as to 'pay' to have dental hygienists open numerous small wounds at the gum-line and then sit there for a fifteen minute flouride treatment every three months or so is a pretty fucking brilliant con...   

       "You're soaking in it Madge!"   

       Anyone tried to find research papers on Hypermelatoninism yet?   

       I have no what um babbulous?
—rcarty, Sep 30 2012
   

       Schizophrenia seems to be an urban disease [link].   

       There is also another link showing the % of community water fluoridation on a state-by-state basis and a separate CDC survey of mental illness state-by-state in the U.S., where data is easy to find. Different years, different sources, etc. etc., but if anyone wants the links...
—4and20, Sep 30 2012
   

       The urban vs. rural data may be easily misinterpreted; I think it more likely that latent and early-stage manifest schizophrenics gravitate to urban areas rather than originate there in higher proportion. For those seeking treatment, large population centers offer more in the way of mental health infrastructure and support communities, and for those who go untreated, it's much easier to be crazy and homeless in the city than it is in the country. Meanwhile, primarily due to the aforementioned lack of psychiatric care available out in the sticks, rural schizophrenics may go undiagnosed for their entire lives, as is the case with many forms of mental illness.   

       There is a man in my town who is very likely an undiagnosed schizophrenic, but he gets along well through the support of friends and neighbors. In the city, he would be a mental health patient, but out here he's just the village idiot. I have a mental illness as well, and currently my treatment is managed solely by my PCP (a family practitioner with no background in psychiatry). The nearest psychiatrist is 50 miles away and is not accepting new patients due to case overload. This suggests to me that urban/rural studies relying primarily or only on compiled statistics suffer a fundamental flaw.   

       Also, I wish to point out that the linked study was performed in Sweden, a country that is 98% batshit crazy. I should know; over half of my ancestry lies there.
—Alterother, Sep 30 2012
   

       //I have a mental illness as well, and currently my treatment is managed solely by my PCP//   

       Uhh…   

       Oh. Primary care physician.
—ytk, Sep 30 2012
   

       but wait... there's more   

       ~ Numerous studies have established melatonin as one of the most effective anti-cancer treatments in existence. It inhibits cancer cell growth and proliferation; it destroys cancer cells, stops angiogenesis (new tumor blood vessel growth), and prevents harmful forms of estrogen from stimulating cancer cell growth. Despite its success in clinical trials and in doctors' experiences with their patients, it has not been widely prescribed in conventional medicine.   

       ~ Melatonin functions to destroy cancer in multiple ways. First, because it is toxic to cancer cells, it induces apoptosis, or cancer cell auto-destruction, as well as directly kills cancer cells. It also slows tumor growth through a variety of mechanisms, such as by inhibiting epidermal growth factor receptors on cancer cells. Epidermal growth factors play an important role in cancer cell growth and proliferation, so blocking their receptors on cancer cells prevents them from carrying out these roles. Melatonin also stimulates the immune system and increases the cancer-killing activity of macrophages, monocytes, natural killer cells, T-helper cells and eosinophils, all of which are involved in cancer cell destruction.
Additionally, melatonin inhibits angiogenesis (new tumor blood vessel creation) from existing blood vessels. Tumors get their nutrition through blood vessels, and as they grow, they require an increasingly greater supply of blood vessels to feed themselves. Preventing new blood vessel growth limits their food intake and causes them to shrink or stop growing.		   

       ~ As an antioxidant, melatonin reduces inflammation, a condition that enables cancer's survival, and it scavenges free radicals so that they don't damage normal cells and make them vulnerable to further genetic mutations.   

       ...did I forget to mention that this game doesn't come with get-out-of-jail-free cards?   

       Yes, melatonin has been shown to have a modest beneficial effect in many tumour types.   

       But back to your idea. I'm still deciphering, but the essence of your argument is that people are conspiring to pollute our pineal glands (with fluoride?) as part of a worldwide conspiracy to sell medical care?   

       Or did I miss something rational?
—MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 30 2012
   

       You tell me.   

       I finally find a possible reason as to why my puberty was delayed for almost seven years.
When I try to research hypermelatoninism, (a condition causing delayed puberty), I find a grand total of two coherent hits on an entire world-wide data base.
'Every' other hit contained paragraphs of randomly strung together words with random hyperlinks for [{insert drug name here} available without prescription in the US] interspersed throughout them.
The instant I mention this this, those other hits all suddenly read Forbidden 404 error file not found.
<shrugs>
So I research melatonin itself to see if I can find out why I seem to have run into the very edge of the internet, only to find that this 'disposable' gland and it's calcification could be responsible for most of societies ills, and that the secretions from this, (apparently completely unimportant and unworthy of pharmicologically funded research), gland are showing up 'way' too much in over the counter medications.		   

       So you tell me.
Have 'I' missed anything rational?		   

       //Have 'I' missed anything rational?// I take it all back. I thought you were postulating a conspiracy by the peddlers of fluoride and various drugs to take over the world by duping everyone. But if the internet itself is also involved in a conspiracy to prevent you, your very own self, from discovering the truth, then it all seems very, very rational. Absolutely. Yes. Sure.
—MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 30 2012
   

       While it may seem odd that melatonin gets amazing speculative press but nobody's bothered to research it properly, there's lots of stuff like that.   

       Ask [beanangel] (the answer won't make any sense, but it will give you a new crop of keywords).   

       Or mebbe e-mail an endocrinologist.
—FlyingToaster, Sep 30 2012
   

       It's probably just the natural reluctance of the medical profession to stop people dying. I remember it took a long while for reiki to be accepted as a mainstream alternative to dialysis.
—MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 30 2012
   

       //But if the internet itself is also involved in a conspiracy to prevent you, your very own self, from discovering the truth, then it all seems very, very rational. Absolutely. Yes. Sure.//   

       Oh that.
Well that's just postapoplectic reasoning and what I would do if I was an evil shit.
I prefer facts.		   

       1) Flouride calcifies glands in your brain.
2) Our pineal and other glands are calcifying at an alarming rate and it's beginning to show up in young children where it never did in the past.
3) The secretions of these glands regulate our metabolisms and by extension the whole neurological shebang while also fighting disease and aging.
4) Oteoperosis is almost unheard of in the animal kindom unless we induce it in them by pinealectomy.
5) Our kids are beginning puberty sooner than they should be and the gland responsible for early sexual maturity is completely ignored.
6) Every new sleep-aid, anxiety, weight-loss, etc. medication hitting the market is synthesized to mimic the secretions of these useless glands.
7) Our medical professionals don't seem to have a bloody clue. They merely regurgitate to their patients that which they've been taught. They are not researchers.		   

       8) Why does it take a schmuck like me to connect the dots? Oh wait, that wasn't a fact it was a question.   

       ...and a damned good one.   

       1) Brain, not mind.   

       2) Atrophy, not calcification (I checked).   

       3) Agreed.   

       4) Animals with naturally long lifespans, especially rats, who do not live full natural lifespans in the wild due to environmental factors, have been observed in laboratory conditions to develop symptoms similar to osteoperosis.   

       5-6) No informed rebuttal from this quarter.   

       7) Agreed. It sucks. Even medical professionals agree with that one.   

       In conclusion, I would like to state that my pineal gland seems okay.
—Alterother, Oct 01 2012
   

       //1) Brain//
fixed. Thanks. the anno's, not my own per se...
//2) Atrophy, not calcification (I checked). //
I'm not sure what you mean by this [Alterother]. Are you saying that our pineal glands aren't calcifying but atrophying? Or are you saying that your own pineal is atrophied and not calcified?
4) True, but if you mess with their Pineal glands they get osteoperosis long before old age.
5-6) Well worth looking into. Scary stuff even, in a Clive Barker-ish sort of way.		   

       I am glad that your pineal gland seems ok.
I still think I'm going to brush with baking soda from now on though.		   

       False alarm. Debate over. The courts have ruled that there is no such thing as Pinealopoly. [link]
—AusCan531, Oct 02 2012
   

       Was it a mass debate?   

       Not a single solitary comment on hypermelatoninism...   

       Frankly I'm shocked.   

       ...thought y'all liked coming across things you've never heard of before...
...or have you all heard of it before?		   

       Maybe if say it louder,
HYPERMELATONINISM!
WHERE ARE THE STUDIES PEOPLE???		   

       Have the studies never been done or are we as peons just not privy to the information?
This society seems to run on a (need-to-know) basis, right?		   

       Well, whomever posseses this information just thinks that they need to know.   

       I 'know' that I NEED to know.
So... where's the info?		   

       [marked-for-coverup]
—ytk, Oct 04 2012
   

       //Maybe if say it louder, HYPERMELATONINISM! WHERE ARE THE STUDIES PEOPLE??? //   

       If it's of any help, I get 17,200 hits for "elevated melatonin" (in quotes).
—MaxwellBuchanan, Oct 04 2012
   

       Why, so do I! Co-inky-dink? My pineal gland says “not bloody likely”.   

       Now if you'll excuse me, I'm on black helicopter watch this evening.
—ytk, Oct 04 2012
   

       It's not headed for Pittsfield Illinios is it?   

       In the United States, children are reaching the age of puberty at earlier ages than in the past — a trend that carries health consequences, including a heightened risk for breast cancer. Some evidence indicates that fluoride, via its effect on the pineal, could be a contributing cause to this trend. In animal studies, for example, fluoride exposure has been found to cause a decrease in the amount of circulating melatonin and lead to an accelerated sexual maturation in females. (Luke 1997). Similar findings have been reported in two epidemiological studies of human populations drinking fluoridated water. In the first published fluoridation safety experiment in Newburgh, New York, the authors found that girls living in a fluoridated community reached puberty five months earlier than girls living in a non-fluoridated community. (Schlesinger 1956) Later, in 1983, Farkas reported that postmenarcheal girls were “present at younger ages in the higher fluoride town than in the low-fluoride town, although the reported median ages were the same.”   

       1956???   

       Really?   

       I thought the onset of puberty was correlated with body weight.
—AusCan531, Oct 08 2012
   

       That's ok.
I was under the impression that our governments had the best interests of their citizens at heart, that doctors were kept apprised of relevant research, and that our best and brightest people attained positions of power in society...		   

       Go figure.   

       //I was under the impression// who on earth gave you *that* impression?!   

       Governments primarily have their own interests at heart, doctors are too busy being sued or sold drugs to - to have time to be apprised of anything beyond their next court appearance/pharmaschmooze and we all know what happens to the best and brightest...
—zen_tom, Oct 08 2012
   

       If you want to entertain yourself (and you live in a country where medical visits are inexpensive), go for an annual checkup and ask your practitioner to discuss any standard-setting white paper of recent years in their own field.   

       Maybe bureaucracy exists to be ignored, but a born genius, which their diploma so dictates, shouldn't have trouble reading the 7 pages it takes to discount a new standard issued every few years.
—4and20, Oct 08 2012
   

       Natural fluoride levels in water in the USA vary by well over ten-fold, with some areas exceeding the recommended maximum concentration (and considerably more than the concentration which is deliberately added to drinking water).   

       Natural fluoride concentrations elsewhere in the world also vary extremely widely. As far as I know, there is no correlation between these fluoride levels and age of puberty.
—MaxwellBuchanan, Oct 08 2012
   

       Incidentally (and, indeed, dentally), if you remove the pineal gland from a mallard before it has fledged, some dormant genes switch on and it grows teeth.
—MaxwellBuchanan, Oct 08 2012
   

       //Governments primarily have their own interests at heart, doctors are too busy being sued or sold drugs to - to have time to be apprised of anything beyond their next court appearance/pharmaschmooze and we all know what happens to the best and brightest...//   

       So I'm learning.   

       //As far as I know, there is no correlation between these fluoride levels and age of puberty.//   

       Should have been a few more studies done on it then by now, don'tcha think?   

       //remove the pineal gland from a mallard before it has fledged, some dormant genes switch on and it grows teeth.//   

       Kewl. So they... devolve???   

       One final blurb:   

       {The U.S. Surgeon General reports that excessive fluoride increases susceptibility to cavities.   

       To avoid crippling skeletal fluorosis, the Environmental Protection Agency sets 4 parts per million (ppm) or 4 milligrams per quart of water as a “safe” water level.. Many Americans exceed that amount from all sources.   

       The Iowa Fluoride Study's principal investigator, Steven Levy, found that some babies ingest 6 milligrams fluoride daily. Furthermore, Levy found 90% of 3-month-olds consumed over their recommended fluoride levels. "There is no specific nutritional requirement for fluoride.”   

       Levy also found:   

       -- 77% of soft drinks had fluoride levels greater than 0.60 ppm -- two ounces of baby chicken food provides baby's maximum dose -- foods high in fluoride -- teas, dry infant cereals, dried chicken, and seafood.}   

       Baby food folks.
Yeah there's a good idea... Let's throw the same shit that Hitler used to keep prisoners docile into the baby food.		   

       It'll be swell.
We'll just tell people that it's good for the babies teeth.		   

       [Maxwell]: Hence the expression, “As rare as a pinealectomized mallard.”
—ytk, Oct 08 2012
   
      
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