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Some way to superimpose a pic of someone else - anyone else - over the orange faced one on TV news.
The superimposition also runs to audio, which says things "Mexico is a wonderful place", "Today is Be Nice to a Moslem Day" etc
Or did this happen 20 years ago and I've only just cottoned on to
it?
Why Trump won
https://www.youtube...watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
[Voice, Nov 11 2016]
We need the opposite of this
Consensus_20Chamber
Consensus Chamber [ixnaum, Nov 12 2016]
The future of American politics
https://www.youtube...watch?v=sGUNPMPrxvA
[doctorremulac3, Nov 12 2016]
Our most watched TV show
https://www.youtube...watch?v=wAg1r6zw7Bg
[doctorremulac3, Nov 12 2016]
Old lady being assaulted
https://www.youtube...watch?v=htOj50B7dNk
[doctorremulac3, Nov 13 2016]
Young girl being attacked
https://www.youtube...watch?v=Wt5khltTGpU
[doctorremulac3, Nov 13 2016]
Old man being attacked
https://www.youtube...watch?v=YNClFJ6BRJA
[doctorremulac3, Nov 13 2016]
Truck set on fire for having Trump bumper stickers
https://www.youtube...watch?v=Z1UG5-eXles
[doctorremulac3, Nov 13 2016]
Guy getting punched in the face for walking out of a Trump event.
https://www.youtube...watch?v=QQmbn7ndvZQ
[doctorremulac3, Nov 13 2016]
Etc...
https://www.youtube...watch?v=ywDvXmeVfoE
[doctorremulac3, Nov 13 2016]
Etc...
https://www.youtube...watch?v=uYZ0VtdIofE
[doctorremulac3, Nov 13 2016]
The Triangle 2005 miniseries
https://youtu.be/cgmCxYKZaB0?t=2104
conflicting realities [not_morrison_rm, Nov 13 2016]
SPLC
https://www.splcent...dation-election-day
a running catalog... [RayfordSteele, Nov 14 2016]
See the anti-Muslim section
http://www.alternet...ps-hateful-rhetoric
[RayfordSteele, Nov 14 2016]
More...
http://www.independ...ction-a7410166.html
[RayfordSteele, Nov 14 2016]
Trump saying stop the violence.
https://www.youtube...watch?v=WDM5EWieJzg
Has Hillary said anything? Maybe so, but I haven't seen it. [doctorremulac3, Nov 15 2016]
Hemochromatosis
http://www.rightdia...romatosis/intro.htm
Yellow or orange skin [Voice, Nov 15 2016]
Did he say them or not?
https://www.washing...y-say-those-things/
Even in context, he's still a pig. [RayfordSteele, Nov 16 2016]
On immigrants and crime...
https://www.washing...migrants-and-crime/
Yeah not so much, Voice. [RayfordSteele, Nov 16 2016]
In cartoon form
http://redpanels.com/299
[Voice, Nov 17 2016]
Exploding head sequence from sci- fi horror film 'Scanners'
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YI3NoBeNwfk
Warning!!!!!! - very graphic, and has lots of gore even though it's an old movie [xenzag, Nov 17 2016]
[link]
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It's happening, get over it. |
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The worst part is that you're never sure if they've washed their tentacles properly. |
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Clinton lost because she's perfidious, untrustworthy and unreliable, and voters recognized that. |
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"Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead ..... |
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"Can you imagine, he's threatening not to accept the
results of the election", said the #NotMyPresident crowd. |
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Almost as ironic as Hillary not making the speech the same
night. |
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Thiel getting involved with Trump's administration is the
most hopeful sign (for me at least) since the Ginrgrich &
Clinton achieved a balanced budget in the 90s. Let's see
how it goes. |
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// a Libertarian candidate who's not a complete idiot. // |
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// Not holding my breath though. // |
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No ? Oh, go on. We dare you ... |
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Theil's the real deal and could be a boon to the process.
Started a real company that makes real money by providing
a real service. Paypal's not one of these companies that's a
glorified advertising agency over charging for their clicks
and obnoxious banner ads that nobody pays attention to
and jacking their stock evaluations way beyond reality.
We'll see. This could be horrible, great or something in the
middle. |
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I thought the whole point of the American political system was to ensure that the president can't actually _do_ anything, thereby leaving you free to elect a leader based solely on charisma? Which raises a few questions. |
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Such as "How do snowplough drivers get to work ?" |
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Or "Do crosses repel Jewish vampires?" |
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//In these times of surplus [..,]// |
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Well, that was the reasoning of Galbraith and Riesman in the 40s and 50s - but is it compatible with the view that the processes producing that surplus are also destroying the ecosystem? |
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I mean, if we went sustainable, would there still be this great big surplus to take for granted and share around? That seems unlikely to me, but I'm open to suggestions. |
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//I thought the whole point of the American political
system was to ensure that the president can't actually _do_
anything, thereby leaving you free to elect a leader based
solely on charisma?// |
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Yes, it's pretty much modeled on the British system, except
we don't put them on our money until after they're dead. |
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So, [Ian Tindale], what do you think of Camus' embrace of absurdity? Do you think that can be technologically supported? That's not a rhetorical question; it might make quite an interesting challenge. |
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You're a cheerful bugger, arern't you, [IT] ? |
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// Camus' embrace of absurdity? // |
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Yes, it's not an overly stroing thesis, with a few flaws, but on the whole he's more of a realist than Nietzsche, Popper or Wittgenstein. |
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//he's enabling a lot newly entitled fascists to
commit a lot of hate crimes.// |
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Well, maybe, but currently all the hate crimes are
coming from the anti-Trump people, including
little girls and old ladies being assaulted. I can put
the video links up but I'd rather not. It's
distressing. In one incident a truck was burned
because it had Trump bumper stickers. An award
winning Hollywood actor said "pick up a baseball
bat and take out every f--king republican and
independent I see." |
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I think when you're doing something that makes
bullies get violent, you should do it more just on
principal. |
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As far as whether he's going to create paradise on
Earth or reduce the planet to ashes, it'll probably
be something in between. Worst case the already
teetering economy crashes on his watch and those
trillions of dollars in debt become an issue. Best
case he puts a team together that can do some
good stuff. Putting teams together and evaluating
their efficacy on his TV show is what he did for
many years. Can it apply to the presidency? Maybe
not, but then again maybe it can. Not even going
to speculate. |
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By the way, I was the first person I know that
figured out that he never wanted to be president,
he just wanted to get his ideas out there and get
some air time. He recently admitted that he didn't
think he'd win the nomination. It's a very weird
situation. We have an actual accidental president.
The South Park show writers agree with me on this
one and they're seldom wrong. |
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How will it turn out? Great reality TV folks. Stay
tuned. |
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That begs the question as to whether it's still a genuine political process, or has evolved into a form of mass-media entertainment. |
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Association football, at a professional level, is no longer a sport but a segment of the entertainment industry. TV stars, move actors, singers and musicians are more generously rewarded and receive greater public adulation than almost any other group. |
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This being the case, it seems logical that politicians will have to join the bandwagon, or die a death of a billion channel-changes. |
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//it's still a genuine political process, or has
evolved into a form of mass-media
entertainment// |
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The evolution towards this started back in the 60s
with the first televised presidential debate.
Kennedy was good looking and smooth while Nixon
was ugly and awkward. This cast the die. |
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I don't care of you've got the correct solution to
every problem on Earth, you don't know how to
generate clicks on the internet, you're not getting
elected. I was almost going to say "generate TV
viewers". Showing my age there. |
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That being said, see link for what we can look
forward to in the future at this rate. |
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The greatest leader is the one who achieves greatest consensus, not the one who got the most votes. |
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I'm bunning your idea because I like looking into
alternatives to just kicking each other in the balls,
which is at the core of our current political problem
solving process. |
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// just kicking each other in the balls // |
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But that's the best bit, that's what gets your species the huge ratings on the Galactic Comedy Channel ... |
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The borg's been at the wine gums again. |
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On a parallel situation I noted the CBC new flash of "Reputed ringleader in $18.7M maple syrup heist found guilty". Bit of a sticky situation, what? |
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With enough processing power surely the whole US administration could be superimposed by Gilbert and Sullivan's Mikado, with Trump as Ko-Ko? |
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"Tall guy needed ... recasting Star Wars, want someone to play Darth Vader to Donald's Emperor Palpatine ..." |
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[voice] that video is bang on. |
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This could be a serious money maker. |
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//Well, maybe, but currently all the hate crimes are coming
from the anti-Trump people// |
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Sorry but that's complete bollocks. |
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That's true, presumably unarmed black people are still being shot by cops, and they're probably mostly pro-Trump ... |
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//Sorry but that's complete bollocks.// |
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Don't you ever get tired of being wrong all the time Ray? |
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Of course he doesn't, that's why he votes Democrat ... |
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The funny thing is, here in the UK I was woken at about 6am on the night after your election by this sort of roaring, whoomping noise. Turns out it was the much-delayed sound of 319 million Americans simultaneously smacking their foreheads. And if you've been hearing a strange sort of background hum for the last few days, it's the sound of 743 million Europeans pissing themselves with laughter. |
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Seriously, America, what were you thinking? |
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Hmm, waiting for the bit like in the The Triangle 2005 miniseries where the reality has flipped and the brown shirts' reaction to discovering an Australian...linky. |
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// America, what were you thinking?// |
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American here. I didn't vote for either, but I never ever would have voted for Hillary due to her massive record of incompetence, lying, corruption, cronyism, and nepotism. She could have promised to do everything I personally would have done and I would not have voted for her, because I wouldn't have believed a word of it. "Trump is X" is not an acceptable answer to these concerns. |
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Also most of your beliefs about Trump are informed by an extravagantly biased press that twisted anything Trump said to the worst possible out-of-context meaning. I've never seen such a unified attempt by so many parts of the press to smear a man, and frankly I'm proud so many Americans saw through it. |
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The press was once called the fourth estate. Then people stopped buying newspapers and stopped paying for subscriptions. This intensified the trend toward consolidation, and now the great majority of the American press is owned by the same three media conglomerates. The illusion of competition and honest reporting is wearing very thin as the same talking points are spouted in precisely the same phrases by dozens of "independent" outlets. |
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Bravo. What [Voice] said. |
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Wait and see is the best policy...who knows how this is going to pan out? |
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Anyway, the whole point of this idea is I can see Willy Wonka deporting Oompa-Loompas, or something like that, not the actual reality. |
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Bravo. What [8th] said about [Voice]. |
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And to the person who kidnapped Voice, hijacked his
Halfbakery account and keeps putting up posts that I
agree with, please set him free. I miss arguing with
him. |
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Don't worry [Dr], there's plenty we still disagree on, and myself being possessed of the diplomatic acumen of an angry badger I'm certain there are many lively arguments to come. |
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Good. Looking forward to future spirited debates.
Consensus makes for short, boring conversations. |
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Ok, nothing to see here. I'll go see what's the latest
at that global warming thread. See if I can get into
trouble over there. |
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You can. Trust us on that. |
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// Consensus makes for short, boring conversations. // |
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... although disputes where at least one of the protagonists is armed may well be even shorter. |
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No, doc. I do get tired of arguing with you, though. Links. |
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//No, doc. I do get tired of arguing with you,
though. Links.// |
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Then why is it always you who initiates contact
with me? |
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But to respond, I put up a half dozen videos after
about 5 minutes of research and after about 24
hours you come back with only a couple of videos
and a handful of written allegations. How come
only the anti Trump attacks get recorded on video? |
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If it's a "Which side has the most crazy violent
people physically attacking other people?"
question, then I guess the "winner" is whoever
posts the most videos. I'll wait till you catch up
before spending another 5 minutes on research. |
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And by the way, MOST of the hate crimes you listed
were verbal assaults. I'm only showing violent
physical
assaults actually recorded on video to save a little
time. |
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Because I hate outright falsehood even more.
However, I do have other things to do. You know,
like, work. Kids. Your assertion was that "all" of the
violence was thus far committed by one side. |
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Ok, all the violence IS coming from your guys. It's
rampant. I'll go ahead and parse my
terms. When I say "all"
I'm alleging a hundred to one ratio. That's close
enough to all for me. I also
neglected to note that calling names, the vast
majority hate crimes you listed, is considered
by some to be a crime. |
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Nice out saying you're too busy to come up with
the
video proof though. I invested about 5 minutes
then
went about tending to all the things you listed. But
then again, my research is a lot easier. Lots more
material. |
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They're violent thugs Ray. They're beating up old
people and children in the street and you're
defending them. I wouldn't defend the morons
inciting violence on the other side, you shouldn't
trivialize the violence on your side. I'm sure you're
an honorable guy Ray, you're above that. |
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America's choice was between rimming a bonobo or being rimmed by a bonobo. America chose the latter. |
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Well, if all we get out of it is the term "rimming the
bonobo" it won't be a total loss. |
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Doc, cameras tend to follow riots around. Easy
pickings for you. Just because things aren't all over
the net doesn't mean that they didn't happen. I live
in an area where there is a lot of racial tension, and
it has gotten much worse over the past several
months. |
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And I really don't care if you spend 5 minutes or 5
days justifying your opinion. It neither picks my
pocket nor breaks my leg. A 2 minute search is all it
is worth to me. |
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[Rayford], [Dr], I don't have a dog in this fight, but as an amateur historian, acquainted with one of two real historians, I think no-one actually knows at this stage which of you is right. |
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At some point in the future, someone will make a proper count of incidents reported, and apply some more or less credible and systematic method to infer unreported incidents, such as is sometimes used with regular crime statistics. |
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Until then, it's all sampling bias, confirmation bias, etc. The truth of the matter, whatever it is, hasn't finished putting its boots on yet, as Mark Twain put it. When this is done, it may show that most of the fault is on one side, or it may not. |
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Meanwhile, until it does, we can agree that there are a whole lot of angry people out there, and some of them are doing bad things, and *all* of them probably think that they're the victims, or in some cases, that they're heroic defenders or vindicators of the victims - because, you know, people are like that. So, could we try not to add heat to this reaction? |
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//cameras tend to follow riots around.// |
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Not a single video I posted was shot at a riot. |
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Old woman was peacefully guarding Trump's star in
Hollywood, little girl was minding her own business
in the school yard, old man was stopped at an
intersection, three of the people were trying to
leave a Trump event. |
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Anybody who attacks an innocent person in the
name of
Hillary, Trump or anything is an asshole that needs
to be thrown in jail. I'll say it if you won't. |
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// could we try not to add heat to this reaction? // |
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That would be superfluous, as it appears to be sufficiently exothermic to be entirely self-sustaining. |
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Out of interest, does anyone one know what the chain terminating step is, or do you just wait for all the reactants to be consumed ? |
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//does anyone one know what the chain terminating step is// |
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A unified, publicized outcry by ALL leaders from both parties, especially the ultra left wingers and Donald Trump demanding the violence cease immediately. So pretty much it's not going to happen. |
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See link for Trump imploring his followers to not use
violence. |
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But even more interesting, fast forward to :45 where
they refer to acts of violence on both sides showing
Trump supporters carrying a sign, presumably saying
something offensive, and a Trump detractor
viciously beating a defenseless little girl. |
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Same thing in their eyes. |
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by "unified" I mean they all have to get up on a stage together, at the same time for a press conference so Hillary's supporters see her there and know that as far as this goes she is absolutely not defending their actions. |
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Taking a brief sojourn back to the idea, I'm only
buying into it if I am able to replace Trump with
Howard the Duck (and possibly vice versa). |
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//by "unified" I mean they all have to get up on a
stage together, at the same time for a press conference
so Hillary's supporters see her there and know that as far
as this goes she is absolutely not defending their
actions.// |
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No, I got you and I absolutely agree. They should both get
out on stage and make a statement. Not split screen, not
messages running concurrently, both of them standing in
physical proximity to each other in real time and giving
this message. And then, as you say, holding an extended
press conference. |
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I absolutely agree that this MUST be done. |
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Strangely, in [doc]'s linked video, Trump appears to be wearing lipstick and cheap fake tan. |
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I watched the whole Donald Trump 60 Minutes interview
and not ONE question about the orange face. |
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Told you journalism is dead. |
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I heard he once fell into a vat of chemicals during a
fight with Batman. |
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Frankly the way he conducted his campaign
brought out the worst in everyone. Doesn't seem to
be a leadership quality to me. |
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Incendiary rhetoric hate speech Incendiary rhetoric
hate speech Incendiary rhetoric hate speech
Incendiary rhetoric please don't use violence
Incendiary rhetoric Incendiary rhetoric Incendiary
rhetoric... |
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Seems a little bit off, no? |
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//Seems a little bit off, no?// |
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The problem is that we're getting too bogged down in details on this issue. Step back a little, and look at the situation - you elected Donald Trump president of the United States, for fucksake! |
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which proves either that time travel hasn't been invented or
the multiple timeline (multiverse) theory, I suppose? |
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// Incendiary rhetoric hate speech Incendiary rhetoric hate speech Incendiary rhetoric hate speech Incendiary rhetoric please don't use violence Incendiary rhetoric Incendiary rhetoric Incendiary rhetoric...// |
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No. The great majority of that "hate speech" is quotes either made up from whole cloth or taken far out of context. The more you belittle and ignore Trump supporters the further widen the rift that has been created between the American right and left. That rift is becoming dangerous. It's easy and convenient to dismiss The Other Camp with insults. I challenge you to rise above that animalistic part of your emotions. |
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I challenge you to look at the reasons Trump supporters liked him that don't involve any form of hatred. Because millions upon millions of Americans voted for Obama and then switched to voting for Trump. Because Americans are not hateful. Not even the ones who support Trump. Because you've been living in an echo chamber. |
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And if it seems like I'm only berating one side of the political spectrum here it's because while there is hatred and willful ignorance on both sides I feel it is your side with the most to offer the world. rise. Rise! above your differences. |
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Eisenhower or Kennedy I think is the last president
we all agreed on. |
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Eisenhower's slogan was the brilliant: "I like Ike".
He was one of the leaders who won WW2, he stood
up the the Soviet Union at the beginning of the
cold war and he built the international highway
system.
But just when you thought he was all about war
and kicking ass all day every day he left office with
a speech warning "Beware the military industrial
complex." |
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This was a great man. His average popularity
raging was
65% only to be beaten by the rock star of
presidents, JFK at 70%. But keep in mind, Ike was
in
office 8 years, Kennedy only 2 so it was easy to
keep a good image. He did manage to lose Cuba
and almost start WW3. |
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Least popular was Jimmy Carter at 28%. For christ
sakes, if you're the president of the United States
start calling yourself James for starters. What are
you, 5 years old? |
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It does come across like "Ahead in the Polls" in Futurama... |
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Awesome episode of one of my favorite shows. |
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We have a system that with the exception of two major
hiccups (The Civil War and World War II) has managed to
rotate power pretty consistently. |
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For all the hand-wringing of our liberal friends, or even
the genuine concerns conservatives like me have over
Trump, we've already had both bulls in the china shop
(Jackson), populists (Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt) and near
dictators (FDR). The republic will go on. |
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But for those that are genuinely concerned that it might
not, it might be instructive to think through the
difference between the children of their neighbors, who
are volunteering for the armed forces, and their own
children, who are seeking therapy dog sessions at
colleges over the results of the election. If there's ever
been a good enough reason to reinstate the draft, this is
it. |
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I do not live in any echo chamber. I get my news from the
BBC, the AP, NPR, the local conservative paper, and
selected sections of Fox that I can put up with.
I live in the Midwest and am surrounded by Trump voters.
If you want an echo chamber, let me just list the first 6
Trump supporters I can think of in my immediate life. |
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My father: thinks that Bill and Hillary have had their
political enemies murdered over the past 30 years and
are just so good as to cover their tracks. Listens to
conspiracy-theorist radio in the tractor. Shares every
fake news meme he can find amongst his facebook friends
who echo them back to him. |
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My wife's cousin: a police officer known throughout the
family for promoting racist and anti-LGBT views. Gets off
on pushing people's buttons. Otherwise leans libertarian.
Doesn't understand why he keeps getting passed over for
promotion. |
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My stepbrother: pastor of a small church who despises
Trump but would vote for the devil himself if he promised
to stop abortion and put in conservative SC judges. |
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My wife's friend: also religious conservative with the
same reasons. |
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My cousin: useless job-drifting mushroom / pot addict
who believes god-knows whatever. |
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My father-in-law: retired engineer, religious and fiscal
conservative who likes that Trump is not taking a salary
but only gets his news from conservative talk radio and
Sean Hannity exclusively. |
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I fail to find any lessons of value from these people,
especially nothing about being broad-minded; maybe the
pot-smoker is but his is not the best example of a
successful life. |
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In what context does 'blood coming out of her whatever'
not sound incendiary? |
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In what context does “I think that putting a wife to work
is a very dangerous thing.” not sound like a chauvinist
pig? |
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Find a context that make any of the following
acceptable: |
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"An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and
told me that Barack Obama's birth certificate is a fraud." |
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“When mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their
best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems.
They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re
rapists.” |
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“Laziness is a trait in blacks.” |
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“Who’s doing the raping? Somebody’s doing the raping?” |
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“According to Bill O’Reilly, 80% of all the shootings in new
york city are blacks — if you add hispanics, that figure
goes to 98%, 1% white.” |
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"Our great African American President hasn't exactly had
a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and
openly destroying Baltimore!" Seriously? This is like
blaming Johnson for all of the stuff the KKK did during his
presidency. |
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These are just the tip of the iceberg. |
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[tc], My concern is that the current nation, economy, and
governmental environment (ie. international policy,
environmental impact, etc) is a
much more complex place than in the past. The stakes are
higher and we have much more to lose. |
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Ray, let's take that as a perfectly accurate cross-section. |
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Would you accept that the current election is, at least in
part, a reaction to Obama's election, which could not have
been -- in any universe -- achieved without the level of
African American turnout that was achieved? You feel
confident said audience is significantly better informed? |
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I recently noticed multiple liberal commentators
lamenting the state of the white electorate, talking
about how our current system was designed when we had
poll-taxes. Liberals, reaching for the nostalgia of non-
universal suffrage! |
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We are paying the price of using identity politics,
effectively modern marketing segmentation techniques in
politics -- but it was inevitable we'll go there. |
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I agree Ray, the Big Lie is dangerous now -- as it was
dangerous when radio was used to spread it, and that
was new too. |
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We're clearly in a very interesting time (as in the Chinese
curse), and the similarities both both WWI and WWII
abound, so of course one has to worry. |
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But the essence of the safety valve constitutional
democracy supposedly provides is that even if we tend to
drive in one direction, we zig-zag there and take our
time. President Obama, who often talks about that,
would have done well to actually take that into account
in 2008, and things might have turned out differently. |
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[tc], the Democratic party is not nearly as monolithic as
the Republicans and so an accurate cross-section is hard
to model. Although perhaps not as personally informed,
your selected group does happen to
caucus with groups that tend to be as a result. |
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You have the remnants of the old union guys, the science
wing, poor inner city types, AA's, Latinos and other
immigrant populations, most of the tech sector and
science wing, the
Bernie socialist-wannabes, the left libertarians, true
ideological Marxists,
the east coast independents, liberals, and moderates,
rejected Eisenhower Republicans, college professors, etc. |
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I doubt it was nostalgia that drove the conversation. |
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I see Obama as having to forcibly hold the steering wheel
in line to keep a car with a bad alignment job and a flat
tire from careening off the embankment and down a cliff.
Not a lot of options in that analogy for dodging potholes. |
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I'll pose something to the crowd: |
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Everything that's happened this year and every year since
the Web's inception, from spam to trolls to fake news to
collapse of music industry, is a direct result of "free
internet". |
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If you've only continued to have to pay by bit used, as you
do for electricity or water, then adoption of the web
would have inevitably been slower, but we would have
avoided much of the mess we are in. |
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Oh yes, an internet controlled by the wealthy. That would certainly have left us better off. |
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// In what context does “I think that putting a wife to work is a very dangerous thing.” not sound like a chauvinist pig? // |
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In the context of the full statement, which was "If you're in business for yourself, I really think it's a bad idea to put your wife working for you." |
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He clearly was saying not that women shouldn't work, but that he didn't think a marriage where the wife is employed by her husband is not likely to work. Just the fact that you never read this full context proves that yes you are in an echo chamber. |
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// "An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that Barack Obama's birth certificate is a fraud." // |
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acceptable if you don't assume he's objecting due to race (but of course your news sources are all about that assumption) but because he cares about the constitutionality of Obama being elected and wasn't all that informed as to the facts of the matter. |
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//When mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.// (and some are decent people) |
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Not Mexicans, the people that arrive from Mexico. Those who are doing well in Mexico are less likely to migrate, and the statistical fact is illegal immigrants are more likely to be violent criminals than natives. I'm sorry if this fact triggers you. |
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//Laziness is a trait in blacks.// |
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Not actually something Trump said. |
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More to the point what I said is that Trump supporters are not, as a group, hateful. Trump has said some questionable (although much, much less questionable than his detractors claim) things but this simpering, whining complaining about anything that isn't sufficiently politically correct is a reason many Trump supporters support Trump. Not because they hate black people but because they're tired of being falsely accused of racism. Not because they hate women, but because they're tired of hearing their disgust with Hillary is sexism. They're sick of identity politics. They're sick of walking on eggshells. They're sick of having to avoid certain topics because someone might be offended. |
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That covers many. But most people support Trump because he opposes the trade treaties they perceive as fucking them over, and they're sick of an arrogant, wealthy politically elite telling them the pale color of their skin makes them lesser human beings. Call someone a monster enough times and they'll start filing their teeth. |
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I agree -- walking on eggshells is almost the # one reason. |
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//Laziness is a trait in blacks.// |
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We agree with this unreservedly. |
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We also wish to point out that it is a trait in every shape, size and colour of human, without exception. |
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"Ginger cats spread fleas, and crap in flowerbeds" |
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This is true. But it is also true for all other colours of cat. |
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Question: will the deportation of "millions of illegal immigrants" require additional primary legislation, or can it be done using existing statute law ? |
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We wonder if "I'm going to deport millions of illegal immigrants, by ensuring additional funding for the INS and that the existing laws are efficiently and thoroughly enforced" is a contentious statement. |
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Honestly, I was willing to support him until I found out
yesterday he broke with protocol and went to dinner in a
midtown restaurant without telling the press first.
Tyranny
is at hand. |
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He also hasn't managed to trial balloon a name without
an array of angry alt-left pit bulls tearing it down. |
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Not that this wouldn't have happened the other way. |
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Both machines are just too well oiled. |
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Prediction for you Ray. He'll do better than expected --
not because of reversion to the mean (pun intended) but
because he basically will push through instead of pull
back when attacked. It's the one quality he has that
works for him in the insane atmosphere that exists |
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One thing he's got going for him, the left has set the bar
SOOOO low for a Trump presidency, and made him out to be
so horrible, he'd have to try, actually try to be as bad as they
say he's going to be. |
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Probably time to just make a mental list of predictions of
horrible stuff that's supposed to happen under a Trump
presidency so we can compare it in 4 years. |
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That sounds uncomfortably like the pitch to the backers for "Gremlins 3: Now They're In The White House". |
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[8th] The problem here is he implied that he would immediately begin ejecting every illegal alien that can be found regardless of what they're doing. Once elected he changed that to "focus on the criminals". It was actually quite clever: When he first said "criminals" the anti-immigrant crowd heard "all illegal aliens (because naturally illegally immigrating is a crime) allowing him to back-peddle now without quite reversing himself. |
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As for his term I'm predicting it won't go nearly as bad as the democrats predict, nor nearly as well as the alt-right predicts. I don't think he'll be a Bush Jr. (god forbid) or a Reagan. |
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// Once elected he changed that to "focus on the criminals". // |
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Well, he has to start somewhere, shirley ? |
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Concentrating first on those who have committed crimes above and beyond illegal immigration makes perfect sense. |
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Someone who is an illegal immigrant but otherwise a peaceful and harmless member of society is prima facie less of a problem than one who has engaged in additional criminal activity (and indeed may do more of the same). "Get rid of the worst ones first" is entirely rational. |
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In the unlikely event of some of the deportees receiving something approximating to "due process"*, limited resources will slow down processing - unless of course the job is simply turned over to hastily deputized members of the National Rifle Association ... |
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* In Texas, this is typically means asking "Have you any last words before we lynch you ?" |
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We think you might mean Oligarchy. Oliogarchy is defied as "Rule by pneumatic air–oil hydraulic shock absorber ", which might actually not be that bad. |
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Oleogarchy, rule by an inedible oil substitute, sounds
downright awful. |
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Thus far his choices for key positions are either
incompetent
unsuitable boobs or former 'oligarchs' themselves, so I
don't
expect to see as much change there. |
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I actually think he's going to let Pence and Ryan steer
most
of the showboat. And that's exactly what I don't want. If
he even lasts that long. I suspect he'll be impeached for
being an imbecile before he's through. |
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If I had said or done any of the things that DT has during
his campaign, I would be fired in a New York minute. I
don't really understand why he gets a pass. |
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I read that as 'because he has money, he gets to act
like an ass.' |
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he gets a pass because the press is Anna Wintour, who
gets to drive teenage girls to anorexia and suicide,
doesn't get to say Trump is a misogynist because he told a
beauty queen to lose weight. |
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he gets a pass because we all know that Bill Clinton has
said (and did) at least the equivalent of everything Trump
is accused of -- hell, wouldn't shock me if they'd done it
together -- and the press never found it to be a
disqualifying problem |
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he gets a pass because we notice that the press had to be
dragged, kicking and screaming to cover the Clinton
Foundation ethics scandal, but spared no time -- literally
-- to worry about the fact that Ivanka marketed a
bracelet she wore. OMG, the risk to the country! |
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It's just a desire to show the finger, careless, to be sure,
maybe even reckless, but exhilarating. |
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Bringing down a notch the high-strung nervousness
of the media desperately competing for the next
expose' with ever more unhinged exclamation
points is a welcome change, but I'm not sure that
this was the best way to do so. |
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To be sure. On the other hand, look at all the fun we have
witnessing vicious, cutthroat jockeying for power as the new
administration comes in. As far I'm aware, this has never
happened previously. |
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Err, seems to be quite a lot double-think in the press (all over) this is from one of the high-ups in Ford. |
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"... with U.S. gasoline prices so low, "it's very difficult for us to be able to make money on a vehicle produced in the U.S." in the small car segment.". |
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There is probably a rational explanation, no? |
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Because small cars are less desirable in cheap gas markets. |
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//the high-strung nervousness of the media
desperately competing for the next expose' with
ever more unhinged exclamation points// |
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Here's what's going to result from the "revolution"
the media and losing electorate is engaging in
after Trump's victory. Let's look at recent history. |
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Remember back when rich people used to own
everything and Wall Street power brokers ran amok
buying influence in government? The powerful got
more powerful and the rich got richer, then there
was a revolution. Remember "Occupy Wall Street"? |
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These brave and brilliant strategists combined the
two most powerful tools of warfare: "walk around"
and "make a lot of noise" to crumble the edifices
of capitalism resulting in the socialist utopia we
have today. Remember when that happened? |
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Same thing's gonna happen here. Lots of noise, a
few innocent people will get beat up then
everybody will get bored and go home. |
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Oh yea, and a few Democrats in congress will try
to overturn the electoral college. This will seek to
take away the fly over states' say in who rules over
them. All they'll need is a constitutional
amendment ratified by those same flyover states
granting California and New York the power to
completely control the rest of the country from
now on. Another well thought out plan brought to
you by the Democrats. |
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In the words of the master "I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people," he said. "You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides ." |
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He waved his thin hand toward the city and walked over to the window. |
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"A great rolling sea of evil," he said, almost proprietorially. "Shallower in some places, of course, and deeper, oh so much deeper in others. But people like you put together little rafts of rules and vaguely good intentions and say, this is the opposite, this will triumph in the end. Amazing!" |
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"Down there" he said, "are people who will follow any dragon, worship any god, ignore any inequity. All out of a kind of humdrum everyday badness. Not the really high creative loathsomeness of the great sinners, but a sort of mass-produced darkness of the soul. Sin, you might say, without a trace of originality. They accept evil not because they say yes but because they don't say no . I'm sorry if this offends you" he added. |
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Yeah the OccupyX movement was quite weird, pointless,
and creepy. Their habit of repeating random things said
by no particular leader reminded me of the Life of Brian. |
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If the flyover states would just join the Democrats then
they'd have a say in that plan. |
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Maybe one of these years poor white evangelicals won't
vote against their own interest. It just goes to show that
self-flagellation is popular among the religious of all
faiths. |
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As it stands now, the inmates have taken charge. |
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I'm looking forward to the slow mo of his head exploding as
a la Cronenberg's Film 'Scanners'. |
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After reading every word, I found that [Voice]'s link pretty much summed it up nicely. |
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//I'm looking forward to the slow mo of his head exploding as
a la Cronenberg's Film 'Scanners'.// |
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Are you saying you're actually looking forward to somebody
murdering him by blowing his head off with a high powered
rifle? |
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That's not what happened in Scanners. |
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Well, not sure what that means but I hope you're not
indulging in brutal, sadistic murder fantasies. About anybody. |
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If you're not sure what it means, then educate yourself first
to enable an informed judgement to take place. The film is
widely available, and it's quite funny to imagine Trump
having a part in it as the exloding head. I'm sure someone
with simple editing skills could do it easily. The whole
posting here is based on this idea of supplanting one image
with that of another, in case you hadn't noticed.... I'll post
a youtube clip of the sequence and you can use your
imagination to cast the exploding head in the Trump role.
The brain matter would obviously become some base inert
material like rough wood chippings in the case of Trump to
add a degree of realism. |
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Hope you enjoy the clip! It's worth watching in slow mo, as
it's really well done. I have a big blow up of a frame
capture from it, I made in San Francisco many years ago by
simply taking 35ml slides from a low res TV, with good
timing on my side. It's an image that scares the hell out of
unsuspecting visitors to my house. |
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What [n_m_rm] quoted from Pterry. |
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// Another well thought out plan brought to you by the Democrats. // |
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ANOTHER one ? What was the first one, then ? "Free Silver" ? Tammany Hall ? We seek merely for information... |
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Verdammit, someone's beaten me to it, there's already two T-word filters for web browsers. |
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