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I don't know what kind of witchcraft would be required, but
I would like a system where I can just use a pressure pen
and trace the conductive trace that would be needed on
this special Copper plated PCB.
Since this PCB has some special layer on top, putting
pressure on it, will remove the
etch resist that was layered
on top of the PCB. When you are done, you roll it though a
roller. There are chemicals on the bottom (similar to a
poloroid) that washes the 'etch resist remover' layer, and
floods the surface with copper etchers.
After a few hour, you can pull out the layer and use the
PCB like normal.
Direct printing
http://en.wikipedia...Printed_electronics
As per [lurch]'s anno [BunsenHoneydew, Dec 29 2012]
Silver conductive ink pen.
https://www.jaycar....uctive-pen/p/NS3033
* 1mm track trace width ,br. * 0.02 Ohm per mm resistivity
Solder: After heat curing only. Use low temperature soldering (less than 180oC/350oF) for not more than 5 seconds. Use low temperature soldering iron. [BunsenHoneydew, Nov 05 2016]
Using a laser cutter to etch PCBs
https://mitxela.com/projects/etching_pcbs
[mitxela, Nov 05 2016]
[link]
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Where can I get a low cost or freeware PCB artwork program? Google sucks for finding programs and I don't want to torrent anymore software... |
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I like the idea, though seems to be a hard challenge to get it working. [+] |
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[evilpenguin]: google eagle pcb :-) |
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Evidently PCB means something different to you than to me. |
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DrCurry, there are "Poly-Chlorinated Biphenyls" (a group of toxic compounds frequently used in large electric-power transformers) and there are "Printed Circuit Boards" (used in most electronic gadgets), and both are frequently abbrevieated as "PCB". |
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If there are other common meanings for "PCB", I am not recalling them at this time. |
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... so nothing to do with "saddle sores" then ? |
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I like the idea of the Polaroid-style developer, but
I don't know if you could get sufficient etchant
into a small pack. You'd also have to rinse, and
then remove the resist, after 'developing'. |
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Meanwhile, you can get PCB pens, with which you
just draw on plain copperclad board before
etching in a regular tank of ferric chloride. The
ink is an etch resist. Drawing complex designs by
hand, though, is tedious and errory. |
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Finally, you can also print your design on a laser
printer, then use a hot iron to transfer the design
to the PCB. The toner allegedly acts as a resist,
though it's not very robust. |
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Maplin used to do "single use" etching kits, with a thick
polythene bag full of Ferric Chloride. |
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Commercial PCB manufacturers use silkscreening for the etch
resist, but with the right "ink" it should be perfectly possible to
modify an inkjet printer with a "straight through" paper path to
literally print the mask straight onto cleaned copper. It would be
slow - photo high-quality speed - but for prototyping, more than
adequate. |
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You could use a conventional UV coated PCB and standard ink, if
the ink were UV-opaque. But that would be a two step process,
unless you mounted a UV tube inside the printer to develop the
etch-resist on the fly. |
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How about a special print cartridge that replaced the nozzle with
a UV laser diode and some optics? |
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etch pens are basically black sharpie pens with the sharpie branding taken off. Then they label the pen something fancy and sell them at a higher price then sharpies.
[8th of 7] there's a cheaper, more fun way than inkjet printers. I used a pen plotter to make circuit boards. It was an HP 7475a. I modified the pens to be black sharpies. It had two different widths (2 different sharpies). I would tape a fresh peice of copper clad to a sheet of construction paper and run the artwork on the plotter. It worked perfectly intill I wanted 2 sided copper clad designs. |
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Haven't made any circuit boards in years and I want to get back into it. |
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I like the plotter idea. But if you have a spare
plotter, how about making a lightweight routing
head for it, and carve the copper directly? |
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You'd want to modify your PCB designs so that tracks
were isolated by a thin line of copper-free board,
instead of removing *all* the copper between tracks,
to keep down the amount of copper to be routed
away. |
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[mb] I know what you are talking about, routing out spaces between traces. There are people that do this, mostly with completely custom x y stepper tables and a stationary dremel tool mounted above it. Stationary because it doesn't go x or y, just up down. A dremel is really the smallest motor you would want to use, and its not lightweight enough to be used in a pen plotter, IMHO. Added bonus of building a custom x y table, is that it can also drill the holes required exactly on point. This is tiresome when done manually. |
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// I used a pen plotter to make circuit boards. It was an HP 7475a. // |
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Oooh, that's a Blast from the Past ... |
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There's no reason that such a system shouldn't be able to do double sided boards as long as the indexing is precise. |
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To a limited extent you could just use a soft pencil. |
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Why not use a heavily modified inkjet cartridge to print etchant
gel directly onto the copper? Wait for the stated time, then just
rinse off. |
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//Why not use a heavily modified inkjet cartridge to print etchant gel directly onto the copper? Wait for the stated time, then just rinse off// because the ferric chloride would eat away at the print head. Unless you modified it, on a microscopic level to be etch resistant, it wouldn't work. |
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Also, pending the release of the formula for
molecular acid by the Borg, a lot of etchant is
needed to remove a given amount of copper -
probably more than can be printed without
spreading a lot. |
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^ arguably you only need remove enough copper to avoid capacitorization. |
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Instead of etching the copper off, why not print the conductive traces on? Somewhere between "dye-sublimation laser" and "3-D printer" there surely exists a conductive ink... |
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Now I'm going to have to try lemon juice on my pancakes. |
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// Instead of etching the copper off, why not print the conductive traces on? // |
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Hi blissmiss! I've been away (eaten by Faceborg) but I am beginning to visit here more regularly again. |
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One could try a conductive ink pen [example at link] in a plotter - not sure what it would be like to solder to afterwards. /edit/ solderable after heat treating / But it might work well in conjunction with proto board: ie, that board with a grid of holes in it, each hole surrounded by a copper ring. |
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A cheap laser engraver can just burn off the unwanted copper as a single step process. |
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Create the pcb file, stick a blank on the table, click on "go" ... oooh, sounds like hard work. |
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Plenty of vids on YouTube of PCB prototyping and small-volume production, even double sided. |
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Multilayer and PTH still require traditional processing, but it's made a huge difference to rework. |
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// A cheap laser engraver can just burn off the unwanted copper as a single step process. // |
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No it can't - I have a 40W laser and it can't even make a scratch on copper, it's just too conductive and sinks all the heat. You need kilowatts to burn through copper. |
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But I have used it to burn away spray paint on copper-clad board, and etch the copper from there, which works quite well [link]. |
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40W ? That's hobbyist stuff. |
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Maybe we should qualify what we regard as "cheap" ... |
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"You're going to need a bigger laser ...." |
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[mitxela], I happened to look around your website a bit, and
found your Lenticular Traffic Lights idea. I then found it on
here and added a link to it. |
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