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Announce a program to occasionally fly a jet at high
altitude
and spray crap into the exhaust stream to shut the
chemtrail
nut-jobs up.
"Ok, we're doing it, happy? Now shut up about it." Leave
them
no place to go.
"Excuse me, would you like read this handout on the
government chemtrail
conspiracy?"
"You mean the one the President announced last week?
Why
is
that news?"
Make it clear that the government decided to do it after
getting the idea from the conspiracy nuts.
"We're not sure if it will stop global warming, increase
global
warming, control people's minds or what so we decided
just
to try it out and see what happens. I think this week
we're
trying peanut butter. Next week it's baby laxative. We'll
get
back to you
with
the results."
Yup. The morons are on the march.
http://en.wikipedia...l_conspiracy_theory
And their votes are worth just as much as yours. [doctorremulac3, May 19 2014]
Tin Foil Hat Amplifier
http://web.archive.....edu/rahimi/helmet/
[bs0u0155, May 19 2014]
Fashionable tinfoil hat
https://www.dropbox...W-Wp0L6eTvsOvUZP0Za
Stylish mind control protection [doctorremulac3, May 19 2014]
Wait just a dern minute. You added a link to the San Francisco half -con
A_20Baker_27s_20Day...n_20San_20Francisco
I think there is some sort of conspiracy theory operating here. [blissmiss, May 22 2014]
Project Aurora
http://en.wikipedia...rora_%28aircraft%29
Interesting stuff. Looks like maybe pre-development for the latest generation long-dwell orbiter they're playing with now. [normzone, May 22 2014]
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bone from a conspiracy nut. |
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This idea verges on brilliance, though I'm not side
which side it's verging from. |
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The strategy lends itself to many applications.
Get a trained taxidermist to assemble the Area 52
alien corpse, and have the government announce
that it's definitely, really an alien. Get the CIA to
announce that they shot JFK and/or JR. Get NASA
to announce that it faked the moon landings. |
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Within weeks of these announcements, the
original conspiracy theorists will have deflated,
and new conspiracy theorists will be arguing
vehemently that the alien is a fake and the moon
landings were real. |
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//conspiracy theorists will be arguing vehemently that the alien is a fake and the moon landings were real// |
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Oooh. That's very Judo. Subvert them for your own purposes. Arguably, this is already done, by encouraging the worst of their excesses, thus marginalising them. That said, I'm all for the mockery of crazies. |
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anyone remember this? <link> |
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A nice twist on this idea was conducted by BC
authorities in
Vancouver in 1992 after Asian Gypsy Moths were
discovered
on a Russian ship in the harbour. They decided to
aerial
spray 20,000 hectares of urban area with a microbe
which
attacks the moth. After several weeks of 'practice
runs'
with just water the big day came when they
sprayed with
the actual microbes. |
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Authorities logged hundreds of calls from people
reporting
sore throats, nausea, headaches and so on. After
duly
recording the complainants names and details they
revealed
that they'd actually decided to just do another
practice run
with only water and the real spraying had been
put
off a
few weeks. After another while went by, they
said that in
reality, the real spraying took place during one of
the
earliest practice runs. |
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Brilliant. All those type of people who'd normally
convince
themselves that they'd suffer deleterious effects
had
already identified themselves during the water
spraying
session. |
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I'm a big fan of outsmarting the dummies like that.
Thing is, you've got to stick with it. The dummies are
patient, relentless and there are a lot of them. |
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[AusCan] That's fantastic! |
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This idea, though would inflate the conspiracy (esp
long term), as it would act as extra chum in the
water. Partial evidence is the attractor after all. |
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That said, there are real conspiracies (lobbyists esp.)
active & powerful in the world today. |
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The best way the powerful have found to deflate
conspiracy theorists, is to feed them false info
(partial, again, to make it tasty), to drive them
further from reality. |
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LOL. In reading up on this sort of thing discovered the
word "Conspiratards". Seems like I'm not the only one
frustrated by people who treat science like just
another point of view. |
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I don't know what is so brilliant about what they
already do. One cannot believe either side, the nuts or
the nuts are your only choices. |
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Ahh, but that's just what "THEY" want you to think ... |
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// The dummies are patient, relentless and there are a lot of them. // |
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... particularly here, it seems. |
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Well then who f--k is "THEY"? |
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Xan, let me try to sway you. |
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Just the other day I was having a marvelous run along
the beautiful San Francisco waterfront. As an excuse
to stop torturing my body and to stop running, I
stopped to talk to a group of people handing out
flyers on the subject of chemtrails. The main guy was
a very nice fellow,
didn't have a cuckoo bird popping out of his forehead
or anything. |
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So rather than trying to dissuade him from his belief
by critiquing the science, I tried logic and I think I
might have made some headway. |
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First I said, this is an exceptional claim, and it
requires exceptional proof. Since we have none, let's
try another approach. Let's look at probability. |
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Can we agree that innocent condensation trails have
been around since aircraft were able to fly 30,000' or
so? We see videos of B-17s in WW2 leaving the sky
criss-crossed with these things. Right? "Right." Ok, so
we've established that there are added chemical free
con-trails. When did somebody start putting
chemicals into these in your opinion? "About 15 years
ago." Ok, who did this? "The government and
Ratheon". Ok, so the democratically elected
government in league with a publicly traded
company. |
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Fine, so let's look at what would have to
happen here. We know they'd have to think what they
were doing is bad by virtue of the fact that they're
keeping it a secret right? So if I were the president of
Ratheon, I'd have to come to the board and say
"Gentlemen, I propose that we all risk our wealth,
the company's future, our very freedom since we
might all go to prison to engage in a science
experiment wherein we secretly do something that
might have some effect. Our allies in the government
have also decided to risk their careers to engage in
this experiment. It will cost a lot of money, risk our
company, our reputations and freedom since we
might get thrown in jail, but the payoff is it will
possibly have some outcome like changing the
weather for better or worse, or end life on Earth, or
wreck this group of people. Who's in?" |
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The risk to reward ratio is not one that any human
being would engage in. There's nothing in it for
anybody to do this. |
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Also, you give government WAYYY too much credit for
being motivated and clever. They're neither.
Government and corporate types want to come in,
get as much out of the deal for as little effort and
risk as possible. Ruining the planet with a secret
program where there is no financial payoff is not
something that corrupt people do. Corrupt people do
things to benefit themselves. |
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The way corrupt governments make money is with
bullshit promises to do something wonderful that will
cost a lot of money. That's the standard government
scam. It's worked for a long time so why fix it? Now if
somebody came out and said "I propose a massive tax
hike to pay for spraying stuff in the sky that will
make hamsters behave." THAT would be something
the government would do. Then they could get some
corporate types to create "Hamster-be-good" aerial
mood modifier, everybody takes home sacks of
taxpayer money, the crap doesn't work and everybody
who counts is happy. |
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I finished with saying there was plenty of government
corruption out there without having to make up
boogie man stories and that silly accusations can
actually bolster government and corporate corruption
by discrediting criticism. Often when a government
entity gets caught doing something bad, they
inevitably respond to these "Crazy, nut job
conspiracy allegations." |
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Anyway, in closing, there's nothing in it for the bad
guys, it's not worth the risk and therefore makes no
sense. |
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I shook his hand and went on my way, I think I might
have gotten through, maybe not. At least I got a rest
from that horrible tortuous running I was doing. |
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Yeah, making running popular is a massive conspiracy by Nike (to sell shoes) and the Government (to make you die of a heart attack and thus save healthcare and social security costs). Well done though for trying to engage with and persuade the chemtrail conspiracy loon.
I'm not really in favour though of legitimising chemtrails like the idea says. I think the chemtrail conspiracy loons would just take this as a victory and move on to complaining about how mobile phones cause cancer and childhood immunisations cause autism. |
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Yea, probably. And as far as changing minds, like I
said, I stopped to engage in this
exercise in futility as an excuse to stop running. |
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Because as Bill Murray said, "Exercise is the most
horrible thing you can do." That' my mantra when I
run. "This hurts, I feel bad, this is horrible, I hate
exercise. This hurts, I feel bad, this is horrible, I hate
exercise... hey, I better stop and talk to this crazy
person!" |
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That's true (about exercising) - I live in a big city, where I frequently see people running in the parks and on the streets, and none of them ever look like they're enjoying themselves. |
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Yup, exercise sucks. I only do it so I don't end up
getting buried in a piano case. |
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Hey Xan, can I suggest a great book by a guy who's a
hell of a lot smarter than I am? It's called "Physics For
Future Presidents" and it covers a range of topics in
the news that need a little scientific explanation. It's
written in plain English so clear and un-buzzword
laden that even I could understand it. I'm afraid
scientific types sometimes look down on laymen and
don't really care if they understand what's going on.
This guy is a great communicator and it's a very
interesting read. Not a lot of boring numbers and
scientific jargon. He just clarifies the science behind
a lot of the stuff going on in the news these days. |
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I'd suggest it for anybody, even those with their own
physics or other degree in the sciences. It's an easy
read despite having the word "Physics" in the title. |
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//I frequently see people running in the parks and
on
the streets, and none of them ever look like
they're
enjoying themselves// |
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The morbidity of running is absolutely terrifying,
up
to 85% per runner per year. As a "health"
intervention
that's up there with blood letting. |
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(now, that reminds me, I need to book my knee
appointment) |
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Believe me, I've debated with myself about the
wisdom of exercising a lot. Mostly while I'm
exercising. Here's my conclusion. |
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The body is about 20,000 years behind the times. It
thinks we're getting our food by running around
killing it or picking it off a bush. It also thinks once
we're done hunting and being worth something to the
tribe, it's time to get out of the way and leave the
food supply to the strong and vital who are still
reproducing. Best way to do that is to die. If it senses
that you're not moving, it assumes you're no longer
hunting and gathering, therefore, are not doing
anything for the group except consuming. Harden
those arteries, loose those teeth, soften those un-
necessary muscles and get out of the way. |
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So, exercising, I'm giving my body the message that
I'm still doing the only thing that's important in life:
running around and killing stuff to eat. Therefore it
grants me a reprieve from caveman retirement,
namely being thrown in a hole far enough away from
camp that I don't stink and put people off their
mammoth steaks. |
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That's the theory anyway. I'm not even sure cavemen
died earlier than we did. If they lived longer, it might
turn out to be because they never exercised in which
case, joke's on me. Anyway, today's a long run day so
no more putting it off by tinkering on the internet.
Time to get that mantra going. |
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But it's not exercise per se that's unenjoyable. Trampolinists and some cyclists look like they're having fun, runners don't. |
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That's actually quite profound, [hip]. |
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Query: runner <=> masochist ? |
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// it might turn out to be because they never
exercised// |
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It depends what you mean by exercise. I find it
unlikely they went leisure-jogging, plausible they
had a bit of a splash about in the river, near
certain there was some play with the kids. I'm
convinced they'd have a pretty solid metabolic
workout though. Huge gluts of food one month, a
couple of leaves the next. Sweltering heat for a
bit, biting cold the next. |
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Along [dre]'s lines of postulation, our ancestors' ancestors probably spent a fair amount of time running _away_ from animals: not particularly fun. |
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I recently read that hunter/gatherers only spend a few hours a day hunting/gathering. Modern society sucks. |
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My brain persists in parsing the Title as "Office of Entrail Disbursement". |
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// hunter/gatherers only spend a few hours a day
hunting/gathering// |
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and probably a couple of months per year huddled in
a cave, shivering, living off body fat from better
times. |
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I'll admit, basing a health regime on something I
"seem to remember reading somewhere" about
cavemen is probably a little lacking in logic. And the
thing about exercising to fool your body into thinking
you're still a hunter worthy of living is my theory as
far as I know. Total time spent on research: A couple
of minutes. Sources cited? See above. |
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But hey, everybody's doing it so it can't be all bad. |
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^^No doubt, though I believe winter simply equals much more hunting and much less gathering. |
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//everybody's doing it so it can't be all bad // |
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... like dying of bubonic plague, cholera, smallpox, tuberculosis,
diptheria ... ? |
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// I'm not even sure cavemen died earlier than we
did.// |
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Yes they did. The died thousands of years earlier
than we did. |
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Goodbye, [bigs]. It was nice knowing you. We hope it's quick and
painless ... say "Hi" for us when the Men In Black come for you ... |
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I wonder if there isn't a research grant in this, albeit one relating to ethically questionable research. The OCD should come up with a range of potentially plausible conspiracies and release them into the wild in an effort to determine the characteristics of what loonies will believe. If nothing sticks, the next research project is to see how much bolstering a given conspiracy needs before it becomes self perpetuating. Trial viruses, you could call them. Then to stage three: the metaconspiracy wherein the government is able to shape sub rosa policy in a way that is undetectable by the now adequately mapped and modelled susceptible mind. |
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... and they're coming for you as well, [cal] ... |
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//a research grant in this, albeit one relating to
ethically questionable research// |
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You show me, I'll bang in a grant application.
Presumably there's grant money the PI's dark Range
Rover with darker windows? Got to look sinister if
you're doing Ethically Questionable Research. |
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//bolstering a given conspiracy needs before it
becomes self perpetuating// |
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If you can combine a government conspiracy with a
cat video, you'll have terrific virulence... |
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Pure undiluted amoral evil that would make a Bond supevillain blench,
married to lethargy and incompetence tha would be funny if it weren't
lavishly funded by the taxpayer ... what's not to like ? |
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I like "blench". A hybrid of blanch and bench (like sent to the bench, in favor of the whippersnapper who barely knows which side of the ball is up). Overtones of belch. |
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If this were to be implemented, I would want to have
injectors in the engines that would inject water
every 2-3 seconds to give a definitive "donut-on-a-rope" appearance. We can capture the "Project
Aurora" crowd at the same time. To really make
them go bat-shite-crazy, alternate oil and water
injection to make alternating oil/water vapor donuts.
Should be a nice effect. |
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I remember going to SUN 'n FUN in Florida and one of
the aerial stunt fliers had his sponsor's cologne in his
smoke oil. Every time he buzzed the field, a hint of
Old Spice wafted over the crowd. I doubt that it
would drift down from the flight levels, but it might
be worth a try to drum up corporate sponsorship to
fund the program...? |
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As used by Robert Duvall ... |
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[doctorremulac3], Hey you missed the San Fran half-con at my house. Was that intentional or was there
something else more sinister at work, that kept you
from attending???
As for the idea, this would just fan the flames of my
all too active. existing paranoia. (But wait, I'll out
smart you and give you a bun, least you come for me
in some strange cyber way) + |
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I'm all for this: I'm looking forward to Phil the Greek's deathbed confession. |
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I'm a friendly cyber entity, Barney the
dinosaur's my hero. No need to give buns for
appeasement. |
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Besides, it's not about the buns, it's about sparking
interesting conversation/debate/flame wars etc. I
don't think anybody's really inventing anything here. |
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hey [doc-rem] way back up there I will agree with
you that maybe I have given the gov't. WAY too
much credit for being clever. My issue is that not
all this hullaballo is being done by any such gov't.
There are other people who rule the world. We
don't know them and I don't trust them. I don't
actually believe all the conspiracy theories, as
there are far too many.( Many of which condradict
each other.) |
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I think your idea is funny is witty, but really won't
shut up the conspiracy nuts. That is why my bone
will stay there. I actually like the idea, but don't
agree with the outcome. |
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Bone cheerfully acknowledged. :) |
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A half-con is the equivalent to a couple bakers
meeting up and getting together and calling it a
convention. Sometimes it's nervous and awkward
as jutta says, and sometimes it's just beverages
and laughter as in the London piss-ups. We have
pictures of the one at my house somewhere. I
shall link. ( We mostly did hawk watching at mine,
but briefly connected with a fellow baker across
the pond, and jutta baked yummy, homemade
croissants.) |
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And I think there have been quite a few
inventions that have been baked in the real world
from here, and quite successfully. Don't know off
the top of my head which ones. but there have
been some that have been patented.
(I don't live in San Francisco any longer by the way,
but I left my heart there, for sure. ) |
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I'd like to see the pics. Sounds like you guys have fun. |
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Reading about it I see that the Tech Shop maker fairs are frequented by HBers. That's definately my happy place. Learned how to use the CNC milling machines, 3D controller programs, plasma cutter, vacuum former to name just a few items I got trained on. It's prototype heaven there. Was once in the Bay Area only, now it's nation wide. |
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They are posted under the link section. Scroll down a
few. You will see us. |
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All these years and I've never once clicked on the link section. I'll check it out. |
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Wow! There's a whole world of incredibly awesome links in that links thing. Thanks Bliss! |
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//Well then who f--k is "THEY" |
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Used to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned or easily identified: "the two men could get life sentences if they are convicted" |
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You betcha, you betcha, [doctorremulac3]. |
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