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For a trifling £3 (or $19) on top of the regular DVD price,
you
get:
No menu to select Hungarian subtitles
No warning that you may not play the DVD on an oil
rig
No trailers for all the movies you chose not to buy
No scene-selection menu
No director's commentary telling you
how they filmed the
dragon-hunting scene in Colchester using CGI
No outer case with a holographic picture on it
No plastic wrapper designed to prevent invading armies
from reaching your disc.
No 4-page pamphlet telling you about all the extra
features you haven't got.
No five-minute animation whose sole purpose is to
present
you, eventually, with the option to PLAY
The first fight of rule club...
http://verymisscoca...ht-club-warning.jpg
[2 fries shy of a happy meal, May 28 2011]
Just the phone
Mobile_20phone_20th..._20phone_20calls_2e
Reminded me of this. [theleopard, Jun 01 2011]
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Sales and marketing would hate this. [+] |
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Not that I've ever p i r a t e d, but I heard rumor
there exist movies that have none of that nonsense. |
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But yes, movies are for entertainment & this junk
gets in the way. I'd pay extra for it. |
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Early DVDs were like this. |
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VLC allows you to skip straight to the movie, even when manufacturers have 'disabled' the fast forwarding. |
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//a trifling £3 (or $19)// |
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Is this a choice as well? I'll take that trifling £3. |
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Or wait...we're paying more to get less (of
something), right? Maybe I should go for the $19. |
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I have a feeling someone else is paying more to get
those features added on than you are willing to pay
to have them omitted. [+] for the sentiment,
though. |
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//a trifling £3 (or $19)// |
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...I wouldn't want a trifling math error get in the way of an informed consumer decision, but at the time of this writing the British pound is worth 1.6508 US dollars. Thus, £3 is currently worth about $4.95 USD, which might make the net price point of the slimmed-down product more easily marketable in the USA. |
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Also: No looping, animated menu with sound. I hate those things. |
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Yes, [mixtella], VLC is the ro><><orz. It now frustrates the hell out of me to play a DVD any other way. |
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You can also just play the VOB files directly, or use VLC play the movie, completely bypassing the disc's own menus. |
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jurist, do I understand: It's the consumers' knowledge
of exchange rates, that makes the sleeker version,
special priced to USA videophiles at only $19, more
marketable? |
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This certainly would be nice, but there are many problem with it. |
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You're going to have a lot of trouble convincing distributors to drop the previews and trailers. There is no incentive to distributors to do this, even an additional charge is not worth it them. |
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The value to distributors to get a few extra minutes of promotional material in front of already-interested viewers is quite substantial, and I doubt they'd be willing to give this up for twice or even three times the cost of the DVD. Certainly it's not worth a few pounds. |
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Further to [sophocles]' point, in this business it is the honest person who adheres to laws who is the one punished. People who pirate movies don't have to deal with any of the issues you mention, except for the things they might want (like subtitles and commentary tracks, some people think chapter selection is important). |
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The pirated file is "just the movie" as you say. It is the person who purchased the product who has make sure they have the right region, and whose remote is disabled forcing them to watch previews, and who is made to stare down the FBI and Interpol warning not to be a thief. The actual thief never sees it. |
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[tatterdemalion] Your economic analysis suggests
that there *is* some price at which this idea would
be attractive to to DVD producers. |
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////a trifling £3 (or $19)// |
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For the French market, that equates to about €33
according to my estulation. |
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[mouseposture] Yes I am sure there is such a price, but it would far exceed any price which would be attractive to consumers, who seem happy to continue purchasing DVDs laden with all of the things about which [MaxwellBuchanan] laments. |
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//attractive to consumers, who seem happy to
continue purchasing DVDs// |
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What choice do consumers have? It's like going to
movies these days and having to sit through 10
minutes of advertising before the show. Only choice
I see is to stay home and watch special feature-laden
DVDs. |
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I assume the awkward sum of £3 was chosen so one may offer the 3 shillings change as a tip to the clerk. |
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One may tip waiters, taxi-cab drivers and
sommeliers, but _never_ clerks. One's footman
can, of course. |
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We are not convinced that it is advisable to allow the staff to become aware of the existance of what is known as the "cash economy". It may result in all sorts of entirely unreasonable demands, and might eventually lead them to suppose that they are something other than your permanent and exclusive property. |
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I like the previews. They're like watching the sports
highlights reel. |
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I hate the previews. They're like watching the sports
highlights reel. |
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So all that's really needed is a stripped-down
computer of some kind with a BIOS consisting largely
of VLC plus a couple of drivers, and since VLC is open
source, that's eminently bakeable. In fact, all that's
really needed is an old motherboard with on-board
graphics, a CPU and some memory, a DVD-ROM drive,
a means of displaying stuff on TV and a remote
control interface. Then you replace the BIOS with a
tiny O/S including VLC and you've done it. As it
happens, that reminds me of Microware OS-9. |
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I watched one of them cam films once (just the once, y'r honour) the picture quality was poor but it was more interesting as it had the audience reaction sounds, so perhaps lose all that oil rig crap (and why is it, in any language they always have school and prison together on the copyright notice?) and tack on that audience reaction soundtrack.. |
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Whilst this is the least thinly disguised rant I've ever seen and should probably be [marked-for-deletion] no invention, I'd like to add in my own pet peeve about the FBI warning. I'm English, I live in England, I bought the DVD in England from an English shop with English money and I'm watching the bloody film in England. The FBI have no powers in this country so why the fuck (excuse my French) do I have to sit through a bloody FBI warning whenever I want to watch a film, eh?
...and...relax! |
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*watches US rendition helicopter circling above Lewes* |
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I bought a couple of three packs of older DVD's and
they were just like this. Stick DVD in - straight to
(barely) animated menu. Also was best value three
pack of movies I've ever bought - £10 and got Knight's
Tale, Mask of Zorro and The Princess Bride. Brilliant. |
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//The FBI have no powers in this country so why the
fuck // |
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*ahem* actually, Dr. Bob, if you buy a DVD of the
Dambusters in the USA, there is a short introductory
announcement by The Queen reminding viewers that
copying the disc or playing it to an audience of more
than 12 people is an offense punishable by a fine of
up to two guineas. |
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And then if you don't say "sorry" nicely, a modified Lancaster from 617 Squadron comes and drops a five tonne drum of Torpex on you, from exactly sixty feet. So there. |
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If the Americans would only climb down off their
high horses and borrow a few Lancasters, that whole
mess in the Tribal Areas would be sorted in short
order and the troops could be home for Christmas
(and custard). |
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//borrow a few Lancasters//
...no can do. USAF pilots no longer compatible with the interface. |
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//... no longer compatible with the interface.// |
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Yeah, the Lancaster uses the old 9-pin joystick, while the USAF upgraded to the XBox360 interface some time recently. I think there's an adaptor you can buy, but it's a bit patchy. |
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My bun here [+] may not be seen in future episodes... |
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Is there an option for Blu-Ray discs that will eliminate the
45-second plug for Blu-Ray? I know I'm just an ignorant
redneck from North Appalachia who thinks that a lifted
Jeep Cherokee is an acceptable form of commuter
transportation and cried actual tears when Winchester
discontinued the Model 70, but I just don't see the point in
making me watch an advertisement for a product that, by
dint of the format in which said advertisement is delivered,
I obviously already own. |
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// cried actual tears when Winchester discontinued the Model 70 // |
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//an option for Blu-Ray discs that will eliminate the
45-second plug for Blu-Ray? I know I'm just an
ignorant redneck// |
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If you just lift the tone-arm and move the needle
over about half an inch, you'll skip the intro. |
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Oh, thanks! Problem solved! |
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//when Winchester discontinued the Model 70// ... '64? |
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Actually I think it was in some time in the '90s. |
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(I was just referring to an old-old flamefest about whether anything other than a pre-'64 Model 70 is a *real* Model 70.) </evil smirk> |
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Is it possible to strategically put scratches into a DVD so the FBI Warning and Previews parts are unwatchable, causing (on an advanced disc player) the laser beam to scan forward to the first playable section, which is the movie itself? Just wondering. |
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(I was referring to a 1994 centennial edition of the model 1894 which I vaguely remembered, but yeah, after reading the flamefest I'd have to agree 1963-4... don't mind me, one of my questions when I go into the gun shop is "but how does it rate as a hammer?") |
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Well, I wasn't alive in '64, so obviously I wasn't crying over
the retirement of a venerated rifle back then... But, yeah,
the pre-'64 was the ideal. I was just so excited when they
brought back the 'real-ish' M70 in '95 (or was it '97?
>scratching
head<), only to scrap it for
good a few years later. I'm just
glad I own pristine examples of both to support my
argument that the M70 was, is, and always will be superior
in every way to the nearly-identical Remington 700. |
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Wait, weren't we talking about DVDs or something? |
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