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Now that artificially cultured 'synthetic' meat products will eventually become commonplace as the technology for lab grown meat gets better, meat producers can start to produce pork muscle and fat cultures that are not from pigs.
With a bit of splicing and dicing of the DNA for pig stem cells, perhaps
adding some florescent jellyfish DNA and maybe some celery DNA - the pork stem cells would technically no longer be from pigs. This fantastic product can now be marketed as Kosher/Halaal Pork - opening an entirely new taste sensation for those who are missing out.
Talk about making bacon!
Leon the Pig Farmer
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Prior Art [8th of 7, Jan 10 2016]
John 12:49
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[2 fries shy of a happy meal, Jan 13 2016]
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I don't think that would work because cultured meat doesn't
ruminate, which is how it works. If an animal chews the
cud and has cloven hooves, it can be eaten. Pork grown in
a vat does not chew the cud. Also, I think some Jews hold
by the idea that it might be an arbitrary rule which should
be stuck to for simple reasons of obedience. |
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What's the significance of chewing the cud? And, what does it matter what shape the hooves are unless you plan to eat them too? (and even then I don't really see it makes that much difference)? |
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Time to bust out that Deuteronomy, pocmloc. You might not correctly be identifying abominable things. |
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//What's the significance // |
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There is no significance. The whole religious food
law business is just phenomenally childish and stupid. |
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Totally agree Maxwell - I think in the Quoran and Bible - pigs, shellfish, primates, rodents and predators in general harboured diseases that could infect humans - I think this is the original reason behind 'no pork' etc. about 4000 years ago. Today these things are redundant in the most part because of modern medicine and hygiene. |
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In your current Western society, yes. In the agrarian rural culture in which the Abrahamic religions originated, avoiding some foodstuffs is a rational precaution, particularly against parasites. |
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//In the agrarian rural culture in which the Abrahamic religions originated// |
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Yes, that's the problem. Things which may (or then again may not) have
made sense 4000 years ago are redundant now, yet have become fetishes -
childish, irrational obsessions. |
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Where is the religious guidance on opening spam emails? Where is the divine
injunction against putting diesel in a petrol car? Which bit of the bible tells
you that your electric lawnmower should be plugged into a socket with an
RCD breaker? How come all the gods are so silent on the topic of statins?
Gods have absolutely fucking useless customer service. |
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What I find most hilarious is the whole Jewish thing about dairy and meat.
So the Jewish bible points out that boiling a calf in its mother's milk is a bit
crass. Fair enough, perhaps. Fast forward a couple of thousand years, and
you're not allowed to use a knife for butter if it's previously touched meat,
unless it's been through some ritual to remove the meat-voodoo. Utterly
bonkers. Thank gods for atheism. |
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// Where is the divine injunction against putting diesel in a petrol car? // |
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There is no specific reference to cars, but the Book of Armaments, chapter three, verses seventeen to twenty-four, is very definite on the importance of discriminating between AVGAS and JP-1 ... |
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I dunno. With a twist of lemon, either is OK. |
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Thanks [bungs] for alerting me. Indeed, I didn't realise how abominable Deuteronomy was. |
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Hmmm, I was just going to do a bit of genetic tweaking to
provide our porcine friends with cloven hooves. The whole
'chewing the cud' thing might be a bit tougher. Couldn't
agree more with [MB's] assessment of the whole thing. [8th]
is also quite correct about lack of refrigeration, etc in a
warm climate leading to trichinosis and so on but that
concept is now beyond its useby day. |
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So Soylent Green is not kosher. Hmmmm. Learn somethin new every day. |
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It's no coincidence that Quoran and Quorn are nearly the same word... |
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...and yet the Bibble is generally opposed to
bibulousness. |
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It's not that there's a good reason for cloven hooves and chewing the
cud. It's just what they use as criteria. I imagine there are cultural
evolutionary reasons for it. If we weren't about to become extinct, I can
easily imagine our descendants a la 'Sleeper' laughing at our own
ideas about nutrition and food hygiene in a few millennia too, and
maybe at the relative primitivity of the scientific method too. |
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// I can easily imagine our descendants a la
'Sleeper' laughing at our own ideas about nutrition
and food hygiene in a few millennia too// |
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Bollocks. Secular ideas about nutrition and food
are generally adaptable and responsive to current
cultural and scientific beliefs. |
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Yes, of course atheist Americans in 500 years might
be amused by the fact that we didn't eat locusts,
but the point is that those future atheist
Americans will go ahead and eat locusts if they
feel so inclined. Meanwhile, the religious nutters
will still be following 2500-year-old dietary
guidelines. |
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Jews today don't (as far as I know) laugh at their
ancestors for not eating bacon. That is the whole
point. |
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Maxwel, following traditions doesn't make you a nut. Its just
something that gives people a sense of identity. That's what
fashion is all about, and don't tell me you don't have
anything to do with fashion. Just check your haircut, the
look of your car, and the front of your home. |
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In the case of kosher food and any dietary tradition laws,
there are several other things that come into play, including
historical memories, issues of community and of loyalty, as
well as health and hereditary adaptation to different types
of foods. There are cases where it is easier to see this, such
as Aborigines and their use of kangaroos, South American
natives and guinea pigs (back to pigs again), or the Beduins
and Camels. |
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You may find it stupid that the Yemenites feel at home
when they eat Malawach, or the Mexicans with their
chapatas but I'm sure you have a special feeling when you
smell some special food that your grandmother would make
on a certain occasion. |
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Most people in the west agree that eating pets is
unacceptable, killing monkeys to eat them is unacceptable
and these days the vast majority of people on
earth, although sadly not all, think that eating humans is not
the best way to go. Still Thais eat anything moving, and -
not a joke - there were issues with endangered species
becoming close to extinct when Thai workers were brought
in to the Negev desert. Should we call these moral issues?
Who's to determine what is or isn't moral? So maybe cultural
issues? |
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Anyway this idea is baked to a crisp, even if it may not be
kosher. |
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//Maxwel, following traditions doesn't make you a
nut. Its just something that gives people a sense of
identity. That's what fashion is all about...// |
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Well, kinda. But I've seen clothes shops (and even
been in a few) and the fashions seem to change
more often than every few thousand years. |
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It's not just judaism or islam, either. Catholics eat
fish on Fridays because (AFAIK) Jesus had fish one
Friday. Isn't that even sillier than some fashions? |
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As it happens, I had moussaka tonight. If I come
back in 2000 years time and discover that half the
population of Earth believes that they have to eat
Moussaka on Wednesdays, I'll be pretty much
aghast. |
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Oh good, we like crispy bacon. |
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This idea wouldn't work because dietary laws represent power of a few over the many, and the few would not give up that power. |
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Also, the whole notion that parasites or disease originated these laws conveniently forgets the universal meat aka chicken. |
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// // Where is the divine injunction against putting diesel in a petrol car? // // |
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//There is no specific reference to cars,// |
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Not all Jews keep kosher. I know several personally who don't and
since many of my friends are vegetarian anyway that suggests it's
quite common for that to be so. |
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We don't actually know that the future will be secular. Religious people
tend to have larger families because the likes of the Catholic church
recognise that breeding new Catholics to be is more effective than
coercion. |
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