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Since Google is already tracking everywhere we go they
could use this data to stem the spread of COVID-19. When
someone is infected their Google account is flagged and
people they came into close contact with in the past are
notified. This data could also be mined with data
science/AI tools
to get a bigger picture of outbreak
clusters.
For example tracking people this way might help us find
people who were asymptomatic but were carriers. It
would be impractical to notify everyone someone could
have infected but if all this info was fed into a data model
it might give a better overview as to where resources
would need to be devoted.
Obviously this would be a lot more useful if could test and
find out how long someone had been carrying the virus
because then you could highlight their locations for just
that time span.
I'm not sure if the location data is actually precise enough
to do this and there is obviously a ton of privacy concerns.
But if things get worse it's worth a shot. A lot of the older
people are going to be the ones dying and I hate to see
that.
"Influenza" was already up
https://www.contagi...tes-hit-record-high
2009 pandemic? [4and20, Mar 06 2020]
U.S. government, tech industry discussing ways to use smartphone location data to combat coronavirus
https://www.washing...n-data-coronavirus/
[jutta, Mar 18 2020]
Google/Apple collaboration on this
https://www.bbc.com...technology-52246319
Kudos to [lepton] for calling it [pertinax, Apr 11 2020]
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In principle this seems feasible, but if this whole
thing is a backdoor to global acceptance of
restricting freedom of movement and assembly,
monitoring of everyone's relationships by a global
bureaucracy, and mandating medical treatments for
everyone, then my [+] will become a very smelly
fishbone. |
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My big brother is high up in the U.S. Military and he said it's kind of
the Jeffersonian trade-off between freedom and security. If we
want to catch the bad guys we have to let the government listen in
on our calls. I don't admire China's lack of freedom but I have a
feeling they are going to do better containing the outbreak in the
long run because they can track people and control them. I am
hoping the West can come to a happy medium, if there could be
more tracking while still maintaining a lot of privacy protections. |
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This might be redundant - just keep an eye on those people
to whom existing algorithms are pushing advertisements for
surgical masks and cough linctus. |
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Ya know, I manage to survive day to day somehow, although I'm certaintly not the most intelligent or hardest working bear in the woods, but it's hard not to notice some (deliberate?) misrepresentations of Covid-19 data trends. |
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Although China has changed its diagnostic assignation for Covid-19 exposure several times, some undoubtedly limited data sources make it seem as if the number of critical cases which are ongoing or impending may end up driving the fatality rate to something like 9%, not 2%. Am already seeing tardy mea culpas calling the rate 3.4%, not 2%... |
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S'OK, it would go ultrasonic, altho that might upset dogs, which is bad. |
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We might be looking at all this the wrong way. |
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Let's contemplate [4and20]'s worst case; 9% fatality of those
infected, and the whole world infected. |
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So 9% of the world's human population dies, but overwhelmingly
the oldest 9%. That might include me, being into middle age and
not particularly fit. |
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That still means the vast majority of the working-age population,
and their children, are spared. Civilisation goes on. Not only
that, but in many respects it gets better. There's an inter-
generational wealth transfer leading to a sharp reduction in
household debt. The liabilities of government pension schemes
and public health systems are vastly reduced. If economic
contact is reduced between China and the rest of of the world,
this could trigger a modest revival in manufacturing throughout
not-China and, more importantly, it could also curtail Chinese
efforts to export totalitarianism. |
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There are economic hits to the aged care industry and to the
airline industry, the latter because of fewer old fools frantically
oxidising jet fuel in pursuit of their bucket lists. However, this
frees up resources for building HVDC cables and flood defences. |
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So I'm inclined to say, bring it on. If we've all got to die of
something (pace [MB]), I can think of many worse things it could
be. So please leave my privacy alone, and I'll accept this risk,
thank you very much. |
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That post was so heartless I thought [8th] wrote it. Also you vastly underestimate the contributions of people over 60. But I'm all with you on the privacy thing. |
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The issue here in America is privacy is already a foregone
conclusion. The police are already using Google location
data to pinpoint bystanders who may have been witnesses to
shootings. |
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Only for the witless numpties who have location data and telemetry enabled, and frankly they deserve everything they get. It's comparatively easy to make a cellphone very hard to track; with a little extra effort it can be made genuinely impossible to track, even by the service provider (although you do end up needing two phones). |
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// That post was so heartless I thought [8th] wrote it. // |
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He's coming along very nicely, thankyou. Soon every last vestige of human feeling will have been removed. |
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Not having a mobile phone makes it quite hard to
track. |
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Only if you're not at peace with your own mortality. |
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//human feeling// Humanity. The robots still have to sense to be optimal. |
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I think this was already done in Taiwan or possibly South Korea and was found to be very effective. |
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Funnily enough, some algorithm last week saw fit to target me
with an advertisement for pre-paid funeral schemes. |
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It's been nice knowing you all. :-) |
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Why is anyone ever concerned about paying for their own funeral ? There is no funeral. The Universe has ended. There is nothing. |
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... and "Pertinax ages" is exasperating. |
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You're exasperating at any age, so that's correct. |
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Not even the teeniest, weeniest bit impatient ? We can help you ... |
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// For comfort & peace of mind of those around them. // |
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But those people will no longer exist. Nothing will exist. |
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"Extreme solipsism is logically irrefutable" ("I am the only real object; everything else is an illusion"). The greatest philosophers have wrangled with that one and failed. |
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Do you need us to teach you Phenomenology ? |
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"Chairborne Hero, return to the bomb bay ..." |
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Thankyou, we will. Just be careful that we don't decide to stop believing in you; that would be bad ... |
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Are you back in the bomb bay yet ? |
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Bah. Now we're going to have to think of you in a different way ... |
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We had a famous Israeli scientist come up with a way to
keep the information private with no way to steal it
(basically by deviding it up into two parts that need each
other to be consolidated, in a way that can decide the level
of information, limiting low-auhorized access to retrieve
only after-the-fact short-term information, answering
questions like: is this info from that person, or was this
place visited by so and so but not giving a whole record. |
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Getting a list would need higher authorization and
authorization cannot be achieved without knowledgeable
cooperation by a changing group of trusted administrators. |
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This system also prevents anyone from being pre-authorized
or to access information in the long term. |
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The Israeli government heard it around 2011, but after
hearing some experts, decided to allow a company which
used standard security to do bio-identification, which is now
the used in our government system and at many buildings in
our country. |
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Way to drive another one out, 8th. Can you refrain from
doing that for awhile? |
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