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Once the criminals have generated "money" from these
dummy entities, track the payoff as much as possible to
bust
them. For instance, cryptocurrencies, the preferred
payoff tool of
criminals are increasingly being made trackable so I
assume there's a whole high tech sector devoted to doing
this sort of thing.
Even if you don't get them, you've wasted their time.
Call it "chaff" like was used to obscure bomber
formations
from radar in WW2.
There would have to be extensive cooperation with
credit agencies but if I were emperor, I'd be telling these
debt profiteers: "You work with us to ferret out criminals
or you take the loss, not the citizen victims of this
criminal offshoot of your industry."
Be very surprised if this hasn't been done. If there
actually is
a law enforcement agency that serves the interests of
the
people like this I'd be very impressed.
If there is such a thing, doubt it would be advertised
though.
Boy, about time somebody came up with the concept of an internet that could survive a nuclear war.
https://www.vice.co...pocalyptic-internet
Ahem. [doctorremulac3, Mar 31 2022]
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Thank you a1. Both are applicable. |
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Personally, I'd assume this
has probably been
done, but if it hasn't, I'd ask why. |
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We should have a term for "Probably been baked but
I can't find it." |
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There are only so many soc. sec numbers. |
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True, but each fake social security number could
have other identifying factors fabricated to look
legitimate. |
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Having thousands of fake personas associated
with any one given number would be even better. |
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Yea, was aware, but like I said, it's not just social
security numbers. Each number can have many
other
identifying factors associated with it. |
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These are fake individuals, their social security
numbers are just one false identifying factor. |
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They'd have names, addresses, credit cards, social
security numbers, relatives, bank account
numbers,
heck, even fake social media posts. |
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Point is, the quality of data can be impacted with
infusion of incorrect data, and lots of it. |
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And there's no reason that this couldn't be ongoing.
So one person is shown to be fake, in the time it
took to establish that, a dozen more were created. |
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//420,000,000 social security numbers//
That's not even close to enough for a population of 330
million. It means numbers must be recycled not long after
some-one dies; which is an opening for fraud (which AFAIK is
frequently done). What were they thinking in 1935; that the
population (~125 mil back then) wouldn't grow?
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I actually might be a fake doc. I'm doctorremulac3
for a reason, there's a doctorremulac, a
doctorremulac1 and doctorremulac2 someplace
out there. |
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Plus there's that whole theory that we're just a
simulation which I thought was dumb until I
considered "So you don't think we'll be able to do
simulated life forms where the entities don't know
they're simulations in a few tens of thousands of
years?" In which case they're just running the
"doctorremulac3 program". |
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Doctorremulac3, 8th of 7, 2 fries, 21 quest,
awful lot of numbers in these names, like an
algorithm came up with 'em. Just sayin'. |
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If one soc sec number shows up multiple times it
would be trivial to filter it out, so all numbers would
have to be used. |
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How much time would it take for these companies
to confuse you with a fake I wonder. |
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My real one would be filtered out as well. Good.
But the legitimate companies wouldn't be using the
dark web, they'd be
using direct communication from me. |
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But however this is configured, fakes among lists
of anything would take some measure of time to
discern real from falsified impacting the efficiency
of the process. |
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And it's cheap to do. Would it be ongoing? Yes.
Would you have to continue working to outsmart
them? Of course, but there's an inherent built in
proficiency among good people vs evil. They've
adopted a set of standards and ethics that require
more work, more skill to achieve a desired
outcome, with these high standards comes harder
work and with that comes better proficiency.
Criminals are people who decided all that work is
too hard, they'll just steal stuff. Smarter people
also tend to believe in justice and advancing
civilization, not just being predatory. Building a
better world is just more
interesting. |
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Go ahead and take IQ tests of prisons vs MIT or
Stanford. (Notice how I didn't say Harvard or Yale,
that's a whole 'nother discussion.) |
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Case in point, WW2. Nazis came up with death
camps,
Americans came up with atom bombs
that can level a city. (And a few years later
thermonuclear bombs that can vaporize a city) I
say engage the bad guys
at every step. We're better than them, we're
smarter than them and at the end of the day we'll
win. It's that basic concept that's made the world
GENERALLY move towards being more civilized.
With glaring exceptions of course, but would you
rather live now or at any other time in history? |
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Whatever the solution, I'd like to see more
offensive moves against this sort of thing, bring
the battle
to the enemy, stop playing defense only. When my
dad was alive I'd see him answer the phone on
numerous occasions and have to tell the scammer
he wasn't a dupe. He was on a list of old people so
he was constantly being attacked. He was smart
enough to not get taken, but old people are
constant victims of these scumbags. I'd like to see
these scumbags become victims of us for a change. |
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On the other hand, that might work too. Sure,
might
be some
issues, but never know until you try. |
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Speaking of, see link for somebody coming up with
the idea of an internet designed to stay on line in
the event of nuclear war. Why didn't the inventors
of ARPANET think of that?
Oh
wait... |
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Reminds me of a joke: "Forget everything you know
about bread. Okay? Now let me introduce my new
invention: Bread." |
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The "internet to survive war" is already started: the satellite
networks of Starlink et al. |
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Well, the internet was born of an idea to have a
WW3 proof communications network. At the height
of the Cold War, military commanders were seeking
a computer communications system without a
central core, with no headquarters or base of
operations that could be attacked and destroyed
by enemies thus blacking out the entire network in
one fell swoop. |
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That's why American defense planners came up
with ARPANET that was the precursor to the
internet. The first "internet" message, that is,
node to node communication was the word "LOGIN"
sent from UCLA to Stanford. It crashed after the
first two letters were sent. |
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Then a couple of guys from the east coast came up
with the TCP/IP protocol and a guy from England
came up with WWW and here we are today, using
this incredible technology to talk about Cardi B's
butt. |
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I recall a "Buck Rogers" episode where he went undercover. His cover was blown. So he gave the Bad Guys another name, which had an extensive identity behind it. The Bad Guys, trusting that they finally knew who he was, went ahead and worked with him. |
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Meanwhile, when someone searched for that "other name," it triggered alarm bells within the government; the fact that someone searched for it meant they could track down who, within their organization, was working for the Bad Guys. So his undercover action helped them sniff out a mole. And, being Buck Rogers, he was (of course) successful in charming The Girl (a young Markie Post, in an eye-popping costume) and accomplishing his mission. |
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Not so much "chaff" as a "Trojan Horse." Various banks and credit card companies should be putting those out there, such that they can clearly identify when someone tries to use them and help recognize attempted fraud. |
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As you mention, though, "if there is such a thing, doubt it would be advertised." |
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Yea, glad this came up. My wife's cousin just had to deal with this. |
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I'd add that the onus and responsibility for a fake scammed credit account has to be 100% on the creditor and that goes for cash accounts being hacked. |
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I gave you my money and you lost it, I don't care how. |
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Banks make money by doing absolutely nothing productive. I've used them to start businesses and yea yea, they do have their place but I'm so looking forward to the day we have a cashless society because all the busy work is automated. Then how will the people be oppressed? I'm sure the elites will figure something out. |
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I had forgotten about this. Wonder who I could team up with to get this actually done. |
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