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Firmware OS
The ultimate system for gamers and hackers. | |
When I am gaming there is nothing I hate worse than the system and network resources the game needs being used by windows causing an eminent system crash.
The best way to handle this problem is to get someone with an EPROM writer to make you a BIOS with moderately sophisticated hardware detection
capability. Then use CMOS to store addidtional hardware drivers and a list of prefered executable files which can be run strait out of BIOS avoiding the need for an operating sysem.
This reduces your conflicts because your OS is firmware and not on your hard drive and the only software useing your extended memory is the specific program you are chosing to run and those programs 100% required for its operation.
This would also be the most flexible system because if you are using your own EPROM writer to do this you could load emulators for other systems into BIOS and therefore run the software for these systems at full efficiency without windows or a software emulator running.
It also allows for the running of a traditional OS and/or programs that require a traditional OS because in Windows for example you only need half the operating system to run Word for example and those files could be packaged to run when you tell it to run word simply by including a basic OS disector like you can download off of any hacking web site.
Even more amaizing is the fact that it could be loaded on ROM and CMOS aboard the processor creating an extremely efficient system that could not be bootleged and could steal the high end gaming market away from both Intel and Microsoft.
Disk-on-chip
http://www.gctgloba...hip/diskonchip.html
Not the one I was thinking of, but close. [Rcomian, Oct 17 2004]
OS ROM for the desktop
http://www.halfbake...for_20the_20desktop
Firmware OS. [phoenix, Oct 17 2004]
Drivers Built Into USB Devices
http://www.halfbake...nto_20USB_20Devices
Firmware drivers. [phoenix, Oct 17 2004]
On-Board AntiVirus
http://www.halfbake...n-Board_20AntiVirus
Firmware AV. [phoenix, Oct 17 2004]
Knoppix--Linux Live CD
http://www.knoppix.org
[Ander, Oct 17 2004]
[link]
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[speaking for everyone]: Hmmmm.....good question.... |
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Why use eprom instead of hard drive to store your OS (or "mini-OS")+drivers? Putting things on an eprom instead doesn't magically make something firmware and thus free of problems. |
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There's nothing stopping a game manufacturer from putting their game on a bootable CD, bypassing the OS on your hard drive entirely. Nothing that is, until you consider all the drivers you have to bundle with your game.. wouldn't it be nice if all that driver-specific stuff could be handled by an OS instead? |
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I don't think that this is the correct solution to your problem. |
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Now that you point it out I did not clearly explain the advantages. The main advantages are that the OS itself on the BIOS would not be as succeptable to viruses and other such software corruption which causes memory leaks etc. secondly with careful programing and some configuration on the part of the user you can recieve the efficiency of a bootable disk with each program. Of corse remember I am not suggesting something for the average user but rather for extensive users like extremely high end gamers or hackers who need to scrap all the security, support, etc. that is not nessecary for what they are doing at the time. |
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Note: Every program that is indipendantly booted will require special configurations for drivers etc. that is why for easy multipurpose uses you may want to have a traditional OS available for use when your work is not resource demanding. (see Paragraph 5) |
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Baked for linux, trying to find a suitable link. |
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"This reduces your conflicts because your OS is firmware..."
How do you figure? You realize the OS code will *still* have to be executed, right? |
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"This would also be the most flexible system because...you could load emulators for other systems..."
What stops you from doing that now? |
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"It also allows for the running of a traditional OS and/or programs that require a traditional OS because in Windows for example you only need half the operating system to run Word for example..."
What?!? |
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"...it could be loaded on ROM and CMOS aboard the processor creating an extremely efficient system that could not be bootleged..."
What?!? |
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"...and could steal the high end gaming market away from both Intel and Microsoft..."
Er, um, didn't you say this thing was running Windows? And you know Windows is a Microsoft product, right? If you're not using an Intel CPU, what manufacturer are you using? |
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AMD -- From my experience, AMD gaming systems benchmark higher in certain tests than the Intels ... while the new P4s have the 800mhz FSB, the AMD 64-bit processors and boards are out ... I'm personally loyal to AMD ... Intel bad, AMD good and all that jazz |
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Yeah, but AMD is Intel-compatable, so you're really not eliminating Intel. My point was [Imponderable] doesn't seem to understand how the system would need to work. |
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Why not have the OS on the game disk, and boot it?
That's the way we used to do things and it was good! |
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[mr2560] I think I agree with you on this one. |
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[mr2560] - // Why not have the OS on the game disk, and boot it? // |
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I neatly answer that in the 2nd paragraph of my comment above. |
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Everytime a PC idea comes up, it is
amazing how many are already baked
by Apple. Just goes to show, 95% of the
population CAN be wrong. |
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I have to agree with 'timbeau'. Apple Computer has been
using this technique since 1984 with the Macintosh
Computer. And if you have fear of your system getting
corrupted from malicous software you can have your Mac
run off a MacOS CDROM (with all the plugins need for
apps to be run) And use the hard drive as a cache disk. It
works great for P2P server sharing. Even better if you
have a moded Mac that has multiple CD/DVD drives for P2P
sharing. So that the both the server OS and the share
files are immune to hacking. |
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The ultimate game machine is X box. X box irronicly doesn't have microsoft's crappy windows on it, but quite possibly one of the worlds best operating systems for games. x box has a pentiume III processor @ 733 mhz, 128 mb ram and a highspeed 8 gig hard drive and you insert the game disc into it which is a DVD. The system runs faster and higher quality graphics than any PC including Pentiume 4s with high quality graphic cards. This leads me to think that microsoft purposley makes the PC not good for games since they have a monoply on windows. |
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Oh and AMD is evil, every AMD processor i ever met melted to death. Intel never melts. |
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DEATH TO POP UP ADDS!!! and SPYWARE
God Bless Halfbakery for it has no adds or banners! |
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//every AMD processor i ever met melted to death// |
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Mine's never run above 60C. Buy a decent fan. |
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[JoeLounsbury] -
// X box irronicly doesn't have microsoft's crappy windows on it // |
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// This leads me to think that microsoft purposley makes the PC not good for games // |
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Or, the simple fact that you can make things fly if you can optimise for fixed hardware. |
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Microsoft is just trying to monopolize the game console market they make a small profit and put out a good product till they a in control then you get junk at an out rages price the x-box 360 is out to stop sails of the plantation 3 and if successful Sony will go bankrupt they have put all there money on the plantation 3 but Microsoft can sell theirs for less because they a worth $34 billion |
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