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Call me strange but why is the Royal Navy protecting oil tankers in der gulf?
I thought the idea was to leave the oil under the ground, not being refined into petrol (thence co2) or into plastic (which is choking the seas).
Admittedly some of the stuff is handy.
My idea is going back to old
way, when a letter of marque
were handed out to privateers. The new scheme is the privateers get paid for all the oil tankers turned back.
Eye patches, parrots, rum, sodomy and the lash optional.
While I do not support the idea ...
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// rum, sodomy and the lash // |
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Not when Cap'n Sturton's in command ... |
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At least not in that order. |
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//the idea was to leave the oil under the ground// |
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Oh no, that's irresponsible. More than half of the oil that
ends up in the ocean is natural, it's happening
independent of human activity. The biosphere breaks
crude oil down to a variety of interesting molecules on
the way to either CO2 or CH4. No, the sensible thing to
do is to get it out of the ground quickly and make sure
that methane is minimized. Even better, make plastic out
of it. Inert and practically immune to degradation, lock
that carbon up. Better still, have small bits of plastic kill
the odd fish, maybe 1g of plastic could take 1kg of fish
carbon for long-term sea-bed storage. |
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^admittedly, a very tiny toy. |
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// More than half of the oil that ends up in the ocean is
natural, it's happening independent of human
activity.// |
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To clarify that - you mean that not much oil leaks into the
ocean during extraction, and the amount of plastic later
making its way into the ocean isn't that much in terms of
weight, right?
It is of course not the case that more oil naturally leaks
into the ocean than is currently extracted per year. |
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And moreover, the relative amount by weight doesn't
necessarily relate to the damage caused to the ecosystem. |
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//more oil naturally leaks into the ocean than is currently
extracted per year.// |
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In my amateurish understanding, of the total leakage of
oil into the biosphere, natural leakage is the greatest
component. I think the natural component is more likely
to be underestimated, since there is at least some sea
floor we're not looking at. Of those leaks there's probably
leaks we wouldn't detect if we were looking at them,
slow leaks into anaerobic zones with an equilibrium of
degradation for example. |
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So why aren't the envirofascists doing something about this ? It's disgusting the way they are prepared to just sit back and let natural processes pollute the marine environment. |
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And volcanoes ... nothing's being done. They spew billions of tonnes of CO2 and SO2 into the atmosphere (not to mention fluorine, radon, and silicate particles that cause lung damage) and the Green lobby just sit there and do nothing. Shameful, we call it. |
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//In my amateurish understanding, of the total leakage of oil
into the biosphere, natural leakage is the greatest
component.// |
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OK, but you're talking 'leakage', not 'extraction'.
It's widely known that we're extracting fossil oil far faster
than it was generated. In the absence of any reason or claim
that natural leakage has greatly increased in the current
epoch, it follows that this natural leakage must be lower than
human-mediated extraction, even if oil formation is
something which continues at a constant rate. |
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If natural leakage is low, and oil spills are also low, they're
both kind of irrelevant when the main concern is the massive
additional CO2 production by oil extraction and use of its
derivatives.
Of course, by this metric, the best thing to do with unusable
plastic is to store it out the way somewhere it won't
decompose, like landfill, and those waste incineration
centres are counterproductive. |
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//aren't the envirofascists doing something about this// |
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Busy with their main task of projecting inner neuroses? |
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//sit back and let natural processes pollute the marine
environment.// |
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Exactly. Not just the marine environment, there's an
article <link> on the worrying downward trend in
freshwater Ca2+, apparently because we're not pumping
the same levels of SO2 into the atmosphere anymore.
Less acid rain, less dissolving of calcium carbonate. If
only CO2 dissolved in rain as H2CO3 and reacted with
calcium carbonate. |
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