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Electric cars are great for a variety of reasons, environmental,
sweet electric torque and more. What they aren't good for is
that
wimpy sound they make that sounds like trying to dampen the
sound of a fart next to a fan. Without modifying the engine
just get the appeal of that sweet engine
music.
Discretely mounted BT speakers deliver
sound
effect of your choosing to simulate the sounds of a real engine,
or whatever else you wanted. For truly realistic effect you
could sync to your cars on board computer to deliver accurate
pitch/volume based on RPM for more realistic sound
simulation.
Sounds available would range from: pickup truck, Italian sports
car, recorded human voice (IE: BRRRRRRR VRRRRRRMMM,
PUTPUTPUTPUTPUT), Model T, rocket ship, chainsaw, endless
fart sound loop, or other custom ideas.
The E-Motor sound kit would alert people that a heavy moving
object is barrelling nearby. This would help prevent people and
bicycles from getting hit. On a more convenience factor it
would
give you that extra few seconds to get dressed when you hear
your spouse peeling up the driveway unexpected.
The Dilemma
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt1578275/
, a silly movie partly about designing and electric car that sounded like a v8 [white, Jun 22 2015]
Electronic music for electric cars
Electronic_20music_...r_20electric_20cars
slightly prior art [hippo, Jun 23 2015]
go-slower stripes
go-slower_20stripes
[hippo, Jun 23 2015]
baked by BMW
https://www.youtube...watch?v=LYIlFM5YW2E
[pashute, Jul 01 2015]
soundracer for electric cars...
https://www.youtube...watch?v=bnQs4IzEhvM
[pashute, Jul 01 2015]
Audi Acoustics
https://www.youtube...watch?v=HoEDLvQZg5I
This is real. ya. [pashute, Jul 01 2015]
Ride of the Valkyries
https://www.youtube...watch?v=V92OBNsQgxU
How to terrify your neighborhood via Stereo [Duck Lagrange, Jul 03 2015]
Clipity Clopity
https://www.youtube...watch?v=3vJxrf1r0ak
[pashute, Jul 04 2015]
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You do know that most electric cars already have a speaker which plays a sound synced to speed? The idea of customisable sounds is at least new. |
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No I didn't! But whatever they got clearly ain't good enough
because the problem is there with every electric car I've ever
heard. |
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Definite [-] from me. I want less traffic noise, not
more, and I don't want to listen to some twat who
thinks it is a brilliant idea to broadcast continuous
chainsaw noises. |
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People have eyes. Those who get run over by a
quiet car because they didn't use them should be
naturally selected. |
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As regards cyclists, they have eyes also. Besides,
cycles are usually quiet themselves, apart from the
whining noise made by the rider. |
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//People have eyes. Those who get run over by a quiet car because they didn't use them should be naturally selected.// |
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oh, bullshit. Anybody my... and your... age already has their environmental awareness set to car/truck = noise. It may be a redundant sense, but rendundance makes sense. |
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So, in two centuries from now, we're still going to
make our hovercars go peepidy peep? |
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Adaptation is inevitable. I'm suggesting that we
make a start now. |
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Bicycles increasingly share the footpath with
pedestrians. Should we require all cyclists to
make a quacking noise, while all pedestrians
whistle the Marseillaise? |
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I usually whistle or hum when I'm overtaking somebody on a sidewalk if footwear + terrain isn't already making enough noise. |
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Speakers on a moving vehicle will have a Doppler
effect naturally, for the same reasons engine sounds
or sirens on a moving vehicle do. You could artificially
exaggerate it though, if you know where the listener is. |
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I sometimes open my windows so the car stereo will
alert people to my presence when I'm driving in a
parking lot with the petrol engine off. |
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People have eyes, but some of them don't function. People
also have blind intersections. |
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So, how do people cope with cyclists? |
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//People also have blind intersections// Is that somewhere for unsighted people to meet? |
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//So, how do people cope with cyclists?//When I cycle, I carry a large chain and heavy padlock over my shoulder for locking up the bike. I can very quickly swing it into action, and lash lumps out of any vehicle that gets dangerously close. It's proven most effective in this sort of mediaeval combat mode. Pulling a beanie hat down over my head into full balaclava mode completes the gesture. (in my dreams of course, as a cyclist in full scale revenge mode against aggressive petrol head morons in their silly tin boxes) |
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Funny that; I have daydreams about not screeching to a halt, because a cyclist decides he/she has the right of way regardless of what the Highway Traffic Act says, and letting them splat against my fender when I'm making a well-signalled turn onto a sidestreet and they're on the sidewalk, zooming across the sidestreet illegally, cutting me (and the vehicles behind me) off. |
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I used to bike between home in suburbia and 2 jobs downtown: 7am and I'm in the parks system until downtownish, at which time I take my place in gridlock, undisturbed by anybody else on the road (occasionally coasting between lanes), total 22km; 4pm and off to another corner of downtown along the busiest street, keeping pace with traffic for 8km; 10pm and back to the 'burbs, mostly along deserted industrial streets, 25km. No problems until my knees gave out. |
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As a driver, I have no problems with cyclists who are riding in the street at their own speed, obeying traffic laws: when traffic's light I pass them in the inside lane, and when it's heavy the extra time waiting for room to pass doesn't make that much of a difference. |
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This was topic was exlored in a halfbaked way in
the movie "the dilemma". See link. |
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^ As noted on my accounts page, "dilemma" is a misnomer : it stems from the Greek "two choices", which sounds about right, but usage is "two choices with regrets either way". |
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The Greek di+limnj (two lagoons) would be closer in meaning: either way you end up wet. |
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Thus "dilemna", though a bit garbled from the original, is actually (more) correct. |
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//it stems from the Greek "two choices", which
sounds about right, but usage is "two choices with
regrets either way".// |
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No, a dilemma, in common usage, is simply a
difficult choice between two alternatives. |
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At the risk of dragging us back to the idea, there is
something fundamentally wrong with the way
people think if we expect cars to be made
deliberately noisy so that people can cross the
road without having to look. We might allow a few
years for people to adapt, while these new-fangled
lectric cars are still scarce, but eventually? |
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The regrets are the road not taken, not the road taken (though that's a viable solution set as well). |
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"Two choices" is "two choices": it isn't a "dilemna" unless it's a difficult choice. "gee, do I dunk myself in this septic tank or that one ?" sounds like a choice with difficulty. |
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However, do feel free to explain why a very large percentage of the English-speaking world use the "dilemna" spelling. |
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On-topic: people weren't evolutioned to notice extremely silent and extremely fast and extremely heavy : your proposal would require fences alongside roads and sidestreets, completely separating man from machine, thoroughfarically or, at the very least, require ontaking motor vehicles to beep their horn, adding to the abuses of that emergency device. |
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// it isn't a "dilemna" unless it's a difficult choice.
// |
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Yes, but it can be a difficult choice between two
good things. For instance, do I holiday on Necker
Island or on Grand Cayman? |
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//people weren't evolutioned to notice extremely
silent and extremely fast and extremely heavy//
But
they did evolve to not be eaten by, say, tigers. If
we arranged for all electric cars to make the noise
of a stalking tiger, that would be an acceptable
compromise. |
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As much as I promote Darwinism, the ability to hear various brands of tires approaching on various grades of paved roads from behind, at enough of a distance to matter, is not a single step in advancement of the human genome. Depopulation is being more effectively carried out, despite interference efforts, by war, pestilence and the Internet. |
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I'm sticking with "di+limnj = dilemna" : choices in life are rarely equally weighted; it's righter than the other. |
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Off²topically, what did you end up doing with your driveway-to-nowhere ? |
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[Ian]- see link for zebra striped cars |
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//all my contemporaries at school were being put on
the conveyor belt to their manufactured moronic
lives: driving licence; exams; partner; job; marriage;
career; football matches; mortgage; kids; house;
radio 4; smelling of wee; death).// |
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Quite true, but at least they didn't have to wait for a
bus. |
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//Should we require all cyclists to make a quacking noise, while all pedestrians whistle the Marseillaise?// |
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This is one of the main reasons why the Japanese
sense of humour has never fully developed, since a
large part of their Tuesday happens on Wednesday. |
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//Pitagora Suichi// Gesundheit. |
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[+] Welcome aboard (or were you here and I just never saw
you?) |
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I'm glad other people were irked by Maxwell's sociopathic
comments against bikers/people who don't want to get hit
by cars. |
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In terms of depopulation... that's a discussion for the mad
scientist forums not the half baked idea forum! |
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I aim to irk. Sociopathy is just a hobby. |
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My point was that deaf people are allowed to be
pedestrians and cyclists. So are people wearing
headphones. I know, because I have seen them. |
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Ergo, it is presumably possible to not be run over
very often, even without audio input from cars. |
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[ducklag], perhaps electric cars should generate
the sound of galloping hooves, to cope with people
from the era when horses were the main form of
transport? |
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Or perhaps electric cars should make the
deafening racket of a stalking sabre-tooth cat, to
be better aligned with our prehistoric sensibilities? |
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I suggest that electric cars be obliged to be preceeded by a man carrying a green flag. |
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By how much? For example, could he be jammed
into the radiator grille? |
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Electric cars don't have radiators. |
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I'm sure the law will require them to, though. |
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Some electric motors require cooling, so some electric cars will have radiators of sorts. |
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//I'm sure the law will require them to, though// You mean like the law requires things like turn signals ? brake lights ? reverse lights ? reverse beepers ? daylight-running-lights? horns? or are you putting radiators in a separate class for some odd reason. |
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Perhaps we are getting a little carried away here. |
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My point is simple: in the long run, electric cars
represent a way to reduce noise pollution, as well
as other pollution. Not to take that opportunity
would be insane. |
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Yes, there needs to be a period of accustomisation,
but people already cope well with bicycles. Once
the majority of vehicles on the road are electric, it
becomes second nature to not step out into traffic
without looking. Also, with few noisy internal
combustion engines, the muted noise of an electric
car becomes sufficient to warn careless or blind
road-crossers. |
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Don't you think there's some kind of entropic law, which says that the noisier things can be, they will be? |
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/listen to some twat/
But that is the whole point! That twat wants you to hear him! I love this scheme. My brother once recorded the chase scene from the Stallone movie Cobra (really a fine chase scene directed by some true car aficionado) and played it loud as he slowly drove around town. |
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I don't think we should have our cars covered in pillows and
sirens in order to prevent car accidents, but a little help
wouldn't be a bad thing. In terms of "wild obnoxious audio
from your car" ... you can do
that already via your car stereo as the hilarious Cobra story
has illuminated. |
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Anyone willing to ride around with chainsaws, or chariots is
clearly the type to blast 'born to be wild' or 'dancing in the
dark' at max volume anyway. |
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I think most human beings will make the rational decision to
have their car sound like a car, but if you're insane and want
to sound like you're riding a rocket go ahead! I like writing in
silly ideas not because I expect people to take them into
action "Well you HAVE to use the chainsaw sound..." but
because I'm having fun writing my post. |
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A bunch of cars blasting "Ride of the Valkyries" or chainsaw
sound effects would terrify their neighborhoods, but having
the option to do so doesn't mean that sane people would.
What would be a practical feature would be to have your
wimpy silent death mobile alert incoming prey in a unique
fashion. |
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"Clippity cloppity clippity cloppity" |
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That, and whatever sound scything chariot wheels used to make. |
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Tie-fighter noise. Definitely. |
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