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Is there anyone willing to sacrifice their Dyson vacuum's vortex generators and run the intake of their car to it?
If it spins the dirt out, you wouldn't need an air filter. More air=more power.
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The CFM Intake of your average engine is quite small compared to that of a vacuum cleaner. You just don't have the required velocity to make this work correctly. |
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If an actual Dyson only works at a higher air flow, then would a scaled down version of one work on a car engine? |
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Or could you leave the motor on the Dyson and use it to supercharge your engine? |
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Tractor-trailers already have centrifugal air filters. |
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only for removal of very large debris |
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Dyson sponsors a American Le Mans series racing team. Perhaps they have considered this? |
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Regarding the CFM-matching problem,
this is not a problem. Just because you're
pumping a lot of air through the system to
generate a sufficient vortex, it doesn't
mean that all the cleaned air has to be
used. |
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We are not talking about pumping air through a cyclonic separator(which is what a dyson is) we are talking about SUCKING it through the separator(pumping through kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?) |
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Cyclonic separators are used extensively in Dust collection systems, Dry Vac Vacuum trucks, Raw sewage separation/treatment and particulate emission controls for incinerators. |
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//We are not talking about pumping air
through a cyclonic separator// True, but
why not? I mean, if you need a high
airflow for this to work, then why not
pump lots of air through and just bleed air
from the cleanest (central?) part of the
vortex? Yes, it's waste some power, but I
don't think it would use much. |
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But in an engine application the filter is there to ensure fine dust does not enter the engine and cause wear. No you are adding an additional pump that will be subject to wear and will provide nothing to the engine. |
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A properly designed air filter induces almost no imposition to the flow of air into the engine(normally it is the intake design that is the most restrictive portion of the system and at that only at wide open throttle). |
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// properly designed air filter induces
almost no imposition to the flow of air //
If that's the case, then there doesn't seem
to be much point in this cyclonic widgetry. |
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Are there any spherical parts in the Dyson Vacuum? |
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Perhaps then the advantage would be that a cyclonic air filter could dump the dust back onto the road, whereas a normal household vacuum cleaner needs to collect the dust so you can remove it from your house. You then wouldn't have to change the air filter. |
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Admittedly, changing a normal air filter on a car isn't a frequent or difficult operation. |
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//an actual Dyson only works at a higher air flow// |
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//Tractor-trailers already have centrifugal air filters.// |
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//only for removal of very large debris// |
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Has anyone looked into using this design to keep birds out of turbines? |
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okay, lets assume the dyson intake system introduces no air resistence compared to the current filter systems. Why not just use both? Mount the dyson's in front of the regular, stock air filter to prolong it's life. |
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the point is that you cannot get enough CFMs moving though to get a cyclonic to do anything. |
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[JH] Use a smaller unit, shirley? |
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I've wondered about this one for a while. Dyson cleaners are more efficient than their conventional counterparts because they don't block up. That would still apply in a car intake, so the whole-life performance of a Dyson unit, appropriately scaled to suit the application, might well be better than that of an ordinary restrictive air filter, whose performance will inevitably decay as it clogs. |
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For the air to flow through the vortex unit, the pressure at the exit has to be lower than at the entrance. The vortex has no way of knowing whether you've achieved that by lowering the pressure at the exit (sucking) or raising the pressure at the inlet (blowing). |
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First anno deleted. I have to say, for one of this guy's first posts, it's actually pretty good. |
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actually I think it does make a difference. If forced air then the air will carrie the particles aloft if suction then there is partial vacuum so the particles are less suspended and fall out of air column. |
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good idea but the way the dyson works it would try to pull the air to the outside and it would actuly rob the intake of the car for air. |
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btw, completely off the subject, but somthing to think about when your messing with your intake... i know of this guy that attached a leaf blower to his intake it helped him a little and i mean very little when hes going slow but in the high RPM range he was much slower and about a week later his engine blew up... |
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You say that it is a good idea yet it will actually work against your intake? |
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hey there acurafan, quit poopin on my coments. get a Mitsubishi or a Nissan. |
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Yeah... I "pooped" on one of your comments because I felt it was contradictory. You noted how you believe the device would work much differently and worse than proposed (which some, including me, may dispute anyway). Therefore when you say "good idea", it is very contradictory. |
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Btw, Nissans are inferior to Acuras, and Mitsubishis are far inferior. Oh yeah and you might try using commas, capital letters, and periods in your longer comments. It makes them easier to read. |
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Assignment: combine a Dyson sphere, vacuum cleaner, and Erwin Schroedinger. The invention is left as an exercise for the reader... |
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Everyone here is so funny. Shutup before I wear my pee pants. |
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