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Deserve marketplace
The drama marketplace - everyone bids on what others deserve, and receives what they deserve. To cause it to be more interesting, everyone can bid deserves on the reactions to what others think they deserve. Bid on what human rights you think other people deserve. And wherever you're willing to pay for them. | |
So if you think your garbageman deserves X amount of
money, you could put it on the marketplace but everyone
can see what you bid the garbageman as being worth and
everyone can bid on what you deserve too in reaction to
that.
I think it could be used for resource allocation. Match
people
up who believe similar things and give better rates
to people you think kindly of or are in agreement of.
So if you're a decorator you would say these good people
deserve a fair price but someone who is not fair deserves
to pay more for the same.
Think of it as a social experiment with moral undertones.
You could collect a vote on what people think government
departments deserve what funding. And what people think
footballers and doctors and dentists should be paid.
What do estate agents and poor people deserve?
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If this is just a survey I think it would be kind of
interesting. The free market vs government jobs
would be the most glaring comparisons. |
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Does a football player getting 30 million a year
whose team makes 30 million a game in a 17 game
season worth it? If there are no top players the
team isn't making that kind of money so yea. |
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Does a government bureaucrat deserve what they
make? I believe most government jobs are stealthy
scams, where their performance and value to
society is never challenged or even reviewed. |
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People who actually make society work, engineers,
doctors, police officers, truck drivers, farmers, I
don't think anybody would challenge their worth to
society. But the ruling class? Dead weight in my
opinion. |
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I think another interesting way to pose this would
be "Where do they add value to society?". |
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//everyone can bid on what you deserve too in reaction to that.// |
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Do you mean what I think someone else deserves for a job has some bearing on what I deserve for mine? Like if I value others highly that's proof of my value at work? I don't think it does or should work like that. If it were an opt-in gift marketplace I would like it. [+/-] |
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What my garbage man gets is a function not of how pleasant or valuable to customers his job is but of the whole marketplace. It includes willingness of others to do the job, what I'm willing to pay to have the job done, the cost of the back end (land fill and all of its support personnel, his truck and its maintenance, etc) any government interference in the market, etc. |
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To base his pay on what uninformed people think it's worth would grossly distort the market. Either he would be massively overpaid (the price of garbage collection increases to still also afford the other things that have to be done, other jobs are paid relatively less well, reducing willingness to perform them, extra competition for the garbage collector job in particular) or massively underpaid. (not enough people willing to perform the job leading to uncollected garbage) That second situation would lead to price shocks where some people would suddenly decide a garbage man should be paid $5 per house per pickup. After a three month lead time there would be a glut of untrained would-be collectors and no one to pay them. And it would cost $300 per month to get one's garbage collected. Hello, illegal dumping. |
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And since no one sees the back end (how much should the guy get paid who directs and supports a sailor who brings the pipe that will be used to spray down the land fill?) all other job prices would be equally distorted with some getting no applicants and some getting too many. It's like a planned economy, but if the planning were performed by toddlers. |
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Voice, someone might think you deserve something
for thinking someone deserves less or more or what
you think they deserve. |
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They can also decide what you deserve for your job. |
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Part of my stated goal is to reveal hypocrisy and
solve giving people what they deserve |
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If you think others deserve highly - the system would
reveal whether you would put your money, efforts and
actions match with what you think others deserve. |
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As you deserve different somethings for both sides
of that question. |
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I get that you think what I'm worth at work should depend on my humility and generosity, but I couldn't agree less. |
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//I believe most government jobs are stealthy scams// |
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You say that now. Wait until your bridge collapses because the red tape wasn't there to ensure a double check of the engineer's calculations. Or you get the squirts for the fifth time this month because no one ran a random inspection for illegal aliens squatting in a lettuce field. Or your medicine is watered down. Or your milk is MORE than 50% pus. Or a pirate station drowns out your favorite radio station with phone sex and advertisements. Or you see a rat running through the restaurant you're eating at and the manager says, "yeah so?" Or your auntie pays a scammer $4000 and you have no one to complain to. etc. etc. etc. |
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Private organizations do a great job of quality
control. When I was a teenager when I had my
little company doing title 24
energy compliance and load calculations for
architects and their HVAC installers, ASHRAE, The
American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-
Conditioning Engineers, oversaw the industry. It's
done a much better job than any government
organization would and it doesn't sponge off the
taxpayer. |
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There are many other private organizations that
oversee the actual workings of society. It's the
government spongeocrats that tell us the world
will spin off its axis without their guiding embrace. |
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I'm starting the "Government Sun Explosion
Oversight And Prevention Board" since its inception
we've made sure the Sun doesn't explode and end
all
life on Earth. We're announcing this year's budget
increase to 700 billion dollars for... uh...
research." |
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But seriously, I'm fine with some government
organizations, I'd just like to have some oversight
over whether or not they actually do anything for
the money we taxpayers give them, that's all. |
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But don't take my word for it, ask my fellow
proles.
Congress has a 68% disapproval rating. A restaurant
with those kind of numbers would be out of
business in the first few months. |
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By the way, just looked it up, not seeing that the
word "spongeocrats" has ever been used before.
Hope it catches on. |
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// Private organizations do a great job of quality control. // |
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... of those aspects of quality which are easily visible to their
customers. Not so much when it comes to things which
happen mostly out of sight. |
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But there you go, you've described the perfect
government regulation |
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job. Hidden and vague. They’re doing the greatest |
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job in the world or the worst, nobody would ever |
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know. Like my Sun Explosion Prevention Agency. |
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We guarantee thecSun won’t explode or your |
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// I get that you think what I'm worth at work
should depend on my humility and generosity, but I
couldn't agree less. |
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I think having humility and generosity is what we
should all aspire to. But when it comes to business,
we should be paid good wages a proportion of the
value we provide. |
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The mathematical paradox of the economy depends
on there being people poorly paid to do the jobs that
rich people don't find worth the money. |
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I'll explicate my theory why I think the economy is a
paradox that only functions due to collective mania. |
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When you buy a loaf of bread that revenues of that
loaf
of bread needs to pay the cost of everyone's food,
shelter and bills and car and petrol and electricity and
car insurance and road tax and tax in the
manufacture of that bread. (For all the employees of
that
bread company) |
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You also need to pay all these costs for yourself too. |
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So where does all that money come from? Money
comes from work and is created by debt. The only
limitless supply is work. But money is limited in
circulation based on how much debt is created that is
loaned out to businesses as money is printed by
central banks to buy assets or as
mortgages when private banks create money |
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Everyone needs bread. So the person who sells bread
needs to buy bread also. So the poorest people need
to buy bread and the rich people need to buy bread. |
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So do you see the paradox? How can it work at all if
we all need to supply everyone we buy things with all
the things we need also. So all the costs we need we
also need to provide that with the money we
exchange in exchange for bread, food and all those
costs to the people that provide those costs of things
we need. |
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In other words we are all forced to work to provide for
everyone we need things from and it's recursive.
There's never enough
money for this so some people shall always be poor
and go without. |
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So how is there ever enough money? As everyone
needs to provide for everyone else. |
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There's enough wealth (money only being a token) because most people produce more wealth than they need. Take a stock clerk at a grocery store. He's going to put up many of thousands of dollars of merchandise per day. So he'll help feed hundreds of people per day. That contribution to them being fed is more valuable than the cost for him to live. A man running a riveting machine at a car factory may help make a hundred cars per day. His contribution isn't the value of several cars, or even one car, per day. But it's enough of a percentage of a car for him to support his family. If he's riveting cars that will be sold for $25,000 and his contribution is 1% of the cost of a car the value of his labor is $250 per car. Of which he'll receive $120 per day but them's the brakes. Get it? Brakes? It's funny because okay I can find the door on my own. |
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//Money comes from work and is created by debt.// |
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You're forgetting the role of finite resources, such as arable
land and mineral deposits. Control of these things (and
other capital assets) is where it all gets dark and difficult. |
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Once you've attained it, what is there to strive for but either more power and immortality? |
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This is not so far fetched, we've swapped the heads of dogs and monkeys. We've swapped the brains of newts, each trained to be either diurnal or nocturnal and the conditioning swapped. The first human head transplant just happened.
It's only a matter of time before a human brain transplant between a donor and the clone of the donor happens, (if not already) ...and if you've gained enough power to strive for immortality, and can pay to have your clone grown brainless in a tank then you get to have your brain swapped into yourself... just several decades younger and genetically disease free... with no rejection drugs needed. It's your own body. |
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It is within our reach, and so it is being explored of course. |
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do we really want dictators to gain immortality? |
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As near as I can tell, that's where we're headed. |
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Job sites often post annual salary surveys by profession. It would be funnier (and more lucrative for the sites in the long run?) if the sites also inspired virtual unionization. Garbage men would band together and demand higher salaries. |
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//demand higher salaries//
Increasing wages at the "bottom end" is great & all (the
minimum wage here has recently gone up), but it won't
make any real difference until the "top end" agree to their
wages coming DOWN. Otherwise the changes are simply
passed on to customers, & (nearly) everybody still loses.
<anecdote>
During the early days of the pandemic, the CEO of Air New
Zealand was all over the news saying "I've taken a pay cut
to help in these trying times". Poor bastard, he went from
NZ$1.6 million to NZ$1.45 million (per annum). What do
people even DO with that much income?
</a> |
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Given the less-than stellar 'success' of social media to cure any
other of society's ills I don't know that I want it deciding on my
pay rate. but it would be an interesting experiment if you
could prevent the trolls from taking over. |
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