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Doctorremulac3 thinks it would be interesting to see a
map
shaded to indicate whether particular areas are adding
to the
economy or draining from the economy.
Might provide an incentive for those slacker cities, states
and
counties to get with the program and quit mooching off
the
rest
of us.
Case in point. One county has a primary export of corn
that generates 20 million a year but they get 30 million
in government subsidies = deep red. Another county has
no such government help and therefore adds money to
the economy: black. Maybe blue would be better for
surplus areas so you'd get a nice shade of purple for the
in-between areas.
I'd be surprised if somebody hasn't done this, I just
haven't been able to find anything.
Deficit Map of the USA
http://www-958.ibm....ficit-map-2010-esti
First result from Google for "deficit map" [marklar, Jun 22 2011]
Income/Outgo Map of the USA
http://visualizinge...ved-for-each-state/
Doesn't have one map showing the ratio, but they are listed at the bottom. [MechE, Jun 22 2011]
More personal graphics
Interesting_20unemployment_20figures
Physical Graffiti? [normzone, Jun 23 2011]
Your Uncle Nutsy
http://www.halfbake...your+Uncle+Nutsy%22
[calum, Jun 23 2011]
Louisiana Purchase
http://en.wikipedia.../Louisiana_purchase
Cheap at twice the price. [8th of 7, Jun 23 2011]
[link]
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calum wonders if you are proposing the mapping of the amount spent by (central) govt. in a given zone as against amount gathered in by (central) govt in that zone by way of taxes? |
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You'd have to pick something like that. It could
get
very complicated very quickly so that might be
about the only one you could do without having
to
invest some real time. |
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This might have real utility though. I know people
are very territorial. This can find outlet in
harmless support of the local ball club all the way
to xenophobic warmongering. This might be a way
to illicit economically underdeveloped areas to
find out why they've got problems and start
solving them. Appeal to that citizenry's civic
pride. |
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Baked. [link] Try to find a state with a surplus. |
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I thought this would be a world map, which I think
would be better. |
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It's a bit unfair with states, because some will have
natural resources while others grow subsidised crops. |
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And each week we all get to vote the underperforming
counties out of the Union, a la The Weakest Link. |
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//Doctorremulac3 thinks it would be interesting// |
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Maxwell wonders if he knows Jim. |
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Doctorremulac3 hopes this isn't becoming a trend. |
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//Baked. [link] Try to find a state with a surplus.// |
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Thanks Marklar, I kind of assumed this must be out
there somewhere. |
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I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to find that the
states with the biggest deficits are the two states
whose citizens consider all the other states "Fly
over states". Namely, states that constitute
nothing more than a bothersome landmass
crawling with unwashed prols prolonging their
private jet flights from their Malibu beach homes
to their Manhattan penthouses. |
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If I may, I'll leave this up because it's interesting
for Marklar's link alone. Interesting annos too. I
particularly like the weakest link idea. |
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• not an idea: make a PP presentation of data x
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• bad science: the link is for States' budgets, not Federal subsidies
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Trolling indeed. Bad day FT? |
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/one dickhead referring to themself /
Probably safe to assume "himself" given the whole dick thing, or at least the head if not the whole. |
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What doc suggests is not a deficit map, but rather a measure of government subsidy vs productivity. The way to look at this would be to see how many federal dollars flow into an area. Ideally one would then figure this per capita, and then also figure federal tax paid from the same area, this being used as a quantitatable proxy for economic productivity. One could hopefully go county by county with this. |
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Then one would graphically demonstrate on FoxNews how conservative antitax red state inhabitants fairly glow with government largesse, receiving much more back than they pay. |
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See link for most of the info on a state by state basis, if not presented exactly the way desired. |
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Hmm. Looks like California, Texas, Florida and New
York are actually pulling most of the nation's weight. |
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New Mexico and Mississippi are pulling an over two
to one ratio. I say we tell 'em to shape up or find a
new country to mooch off of. |
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It does seem to be the case that all the "Ultra-
Liberal" (CA, NY, MA) states are on the good side of
break even. Maybe a few of the "Ultra-Consrvative"
states are there as well, but the only one I see is
Texas. |
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// tell 'em to shape up or find a new country to mooch off of // |
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Or indeed an old one .... <link> |
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But don't come cap in hand to the UK. The UK Government has things to organise, like the next war with the french. |
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WILL the map take into account how others are taxed indirectly? |
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Alaska generates revenue from fuel /oil as does Texas. How does
that factor, we here are taxing all else with our own state tax |
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As for Alaska, I was going to point that out but I
didn't want to get into this whole "red state vs
blue state" debate that was brought up since
arguments about left wing vs right wing quickly
deteriorate into useless name calling. I'm not
against useless name calling but I have to be in
the mood. |
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A portion of that federal money "going" to Alaska
is in the form of credits it's citizens are receiving
for oil produced there. Factor in the oil and Alaska
is a very important state to the US economy. The
equivalent of you English people's North Sea oil
fields. |
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But you make a great point. This map would have
to have that, and any other information that
would be useful factored in. You might have to
come up with another index, like "success factor
by area" or something. I think "deficit/surplus"
may over simplify a bit. |
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Here's a general question - how come, when the
Greek European state has trouble being in the Red,
there's lots of handwaving about a second financial
crisis, and the danger to the Euro, and what might
happen if Greece drops out - while here's California,
in pretty much exactly the same position - but
nobody's worrying about the Dollar? - ok, so there
are some people worrying about the Dollar, just not
explicitly due to California's government debt. |
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Smart people are worried about the dollar and they should be. |
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Our main problem isn't just California's debt but the looming unfunded entitlement programs coming down the pike. Forget the controversial ones, we're talking Social Security and Medicare that most everybody supports, at least according to the polls. Again, avoiding the left wing / right wing slapfest, shut down the military and that wouldn't begin to pay for the shortfall. |
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People can riot in the streets all they want, but if there's no money there's no money. |
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[doctorremulac3] you're missing contributions that
aren't measured in taxes payed. |
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Yes, agreed. I'm missing a lot. This isn't an easy index to figure out. |
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Do you measure productivity per capita? What about the idle rich who sits on their ass collecting capital gains, the "trustafarian" class who sits by the pool complaining about the pate' for a living? I guess if their resources are being used by productive people they'd get credit. |
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[zen_tom] As to the difference between Greece and
California, it might have to do with the size of the
debt relative to the size of the economy that can be
taxed to pay for it. For California, the ratio is about
0.2; for Greece, it's greater than one. |
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