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10. Extremely Ironic - Identify something nonironic as ironic (or
ironic as nonironic)
9 Ayn Rand's objectivism instructs to follow your
own reason in interpreting reality.
8 A pop culture song that asks the listener to consider meaning
of
irony.
7 there is no seven.
6 British landowners
should eat Irish babies.
5 Ironic - the meaning is opposed by the expression
4. The tragic car accident memorial distracts drivers.
3. The lovers were having a quarrel
2. I was stabbed by a safety pin.
1. The halfbaked idea already exists.
0 -Not ironic - Identify something ironic as ironic
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//Extremely Ironic - Identify something nonironic as
ironic// |
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Identifying something nonironic as ironic would not
be ironic. I'm English - I know irony. |
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Well I have a dictionary, so I know irony means
"discrepancy between the expected and actual state of
affairs" |
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So, if someone says "isn't that ironic!" And it's not
therefore the entire scene is. |
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You have also validated this idea by identifying "identifying
something noniroic as ironic" as non ironic you are as the
summary says "reducing irony to the absurd. |
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Would this be "Erstemonde's Dictionary of Unreliable
Definitions"? |
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Oxford English dictionary. |
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Pretty ironic that someone English didn't know the
definition. |
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Although consulting my continuum... Not very ironic at all. |
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Can we please find a seven? There must be a seven. |
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Well that's the irony, it says there's no seven, but yep yes
there is. |
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Now that's a doubly ironic response 1) you can argue with
math 2) the example is not math |
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I should probably just stick to folding then. |
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^ Origami, irony ... close enough. |
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Baked! From the wikipedia/irony: |
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"
Tim Conley cites the following: "Philip Howard assembled a list of seven implied meanings for the word "ironically", as it opens a sentence: |
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* By a tragic coincidence
* By an exceptional coincidence
* By a coincidence of no importance
* You and I know, of course, though other less intelligent mortals walk benighted under the midday sun
* Oddly enough, or it's a rum thing that
* Oh hell! I've run out of words to start a sentence with."
" |
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This is meta-irony. Considering the recursivity of
applying a label to itself, Hofstadter I'm sure would
have something sensible to say on this. |
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I am more interested in another man named Hofstader
that draws intellectual esteem from having the same
name. |
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Aha! I've finally figured out what that sick Norwegian
bastard's psychosis was! Thanks, [r-cart]. |
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//So, if someone says "isn't that ironic!" And it's not therefore the entire scene is.// |
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It's like one of those math-logic problems : "if x belongs to set y which contains all sets," bla bla bla close book walk out of lecture. Good times. |
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Can we define the pinacle of irony being that as language evolves, and people's intelligence devolves, the in-use definition of irony is and will shift to the point that this situation isn't ironic any more? |
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A simple measure for irony is how meaningless something
is, or how *much* meaningllessness the communicative
action produces. Irony is one of the most ironic things
there is, but as long as there is an implosion of meaning
occuring irony can be detected. |
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Most Greek linguistics terms can be understood by referring to the etymology (e.g. analogy - 'concordance of form', hence, the modern usage is an extension, by analogy , of the literal meaning; which is helpful and cool). But irony, one of the most difficult words to define, ironically comes from a Greek word meaning irony. |
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Analogical and ironical are two separate forms of reason.
Swift's satire modest proposal, is ironic In it's sarcasm,
but unironic in its analogy. British eating Irish babies at
the time would not have been an ironic thing to do,
feeding the babies would have been pretty ironic!
However the work is ironic because he attaches an
implosive device to the literalism. That something
ironic like a satire ends up being more meaningful means
that the intellectual detonation of the implosive device,
resulted in an explosion of profundity (an immodest
opposal!). Sometimes like
when the monument to the tragic car accident causes a
car accident, the explosion of meaning is simply how
absurd it all is! Or the anti-protestors protesting in
the manner if he protestors, and one placard saying
"this is not a a sign!". Swift draws an analogy with his
ironic statement, that isn't at all ironic, but the power
of finding two analogous things, in this example one
type of greedy inhuman cruelty and another feasting
upon babes tender loins and using one as an exemplar
for the other "in a modest proposal" is simply ironic
because he is not proposing he is opposing the entire
analogy! The meaning is therefore opposed by the
expression. Whereas analogy is "boat is to stream as car
is to road", irony is a uncomplementary relationship not
between two things, but one that occurs within a single
thing. Or as youy say analogy is accordance of form
comparatively, then irony is discordance of meaning
within form. |
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