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I was just thinking about how a company called Carillion went bust
recently and the tax payers will probably have to bail out the
employees, pension funds etc. Meanwhile the company directors
walked away with the usual pay awards..
Companies don’t have much survival instinct, compared to
organisms.
Probably because they’re are made up of so many
separate entities called people all just looking out for themselves
and happy to feather their own nests (especially the directors) .
The lower echelons, middle management, down to the guys
screwing
knobs onto heating ducts in hospitals, they must feel more of the
pain when the ship goes down. . But how much really? It’s not
exactly life and death - when the tax payer will step in..
If AI ever comes to fruition i’d like to think companies could have
a
“brain” - identifying itself with the whole organisation and looking
out for it, when no one else cares. An AI that comes up via genetic
algorithms should have survival instincts anyhow (one supposes.)
Therefore wire it up to the company, each nerve attached to a
company department, It would ‘live’ vicariously through the
company, react with a sense of foreboding to financial
mismanagement and not go down without a fight..
Not sure how that last part would work, apart from dobbing poor
departments in to the shareholders.. ???
consider this a work in progress - like the liquidation of Carillion
Mike Brotherton
https://en.wikipedi...iki/Mike_Brotherton
[Skewed, Feb 20 2018]
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//Meanwhile the company directors walked away with the usual pay awards.. //
The difference between legal and moral. I always wondered how I could get payed royally for a horrendous cock-up. I suppose there's that magical cock-up line, below and you walk away ashamed, above and you buy a house with new address. |
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How would an AI be programed with a moral imperative without foreseen consequences? |
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We suggest that it is not necessarily the forseen consequences that you need to be concerned about. |
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Baked in Sci Fi literature many times over I suspect, though
I wouldn't care to do a search to provide examples, but
that's OK, because I don't need to, I've an example on my
shelf I can point at. |
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Mike Brotherton's Star Dragon from 2003. |
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Pretty sure there are plenty of earlier examples & have to
admit I don't rate him much as an author (I always thought
this was the kind of place sci fi
authors might lurk, so if you're out
there sorry about that), the library was
selling old stock for pennies & I was short on reading
material that month. |
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It's not integral to the story but all the
corporations in his story seem to be run by AI's on organic
computers in their head office buildings that identify as the
corporation itself. |
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Seems like a grand way to jump start a multi faction person
of interest style AI war for supremacy with hundreds of
thousands rather
than just two participants.. I approve. |
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////Meanwhile the company directors walked away with
the usual pay awards.. // The difference between legal and
moral. I always wondered how I could get payed royally for
a horrendous cock-up. I suppose there's that magical cock-
up line, below and you walk away ashamed, above and you
buy a house with new address.// |
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It's rarely a cock-up, all you need is a cast iron
"productivity" reward in your employment contract linked
to something like gross sales numbers with no call back to
actual profits, then you can just reduce the price of the
product (to below production costs if necessary) until they
sell like hotcakes & ramp production to meet demand (&
damn the expense). |
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Just remember to time it right, collect your bonus (don't
forget to crow about how much you increased
market share & turnover) & get
out before
the company collapses
into bankruptcy. |
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Cue press conference deploring your replacements poor
management decisions & how he
destroyed the thriving, vibrant company you left him. |
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I believe this idea verges on the WIBNI clause in the help file (over there on the left, under meta) |
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Not so sure Norm, even a crude hybrid lash-up constructed
from
today's
net agents, chat bots & market software could
provide a reasonably convincing simulacrum of what he's on
about, it
wouldn't really be AI of course but the appearance would be
there (for many if not most). |
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//It's rarely a cock-up// |
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Ooh, don't forget the old "clearing the decks" ploy; that's the one
where, on taking over, you review the books and write down the
value of all the stock on hand. You declare "It was like that when I
got here!" (which of course is true of the assets, though not of
their valuation), then you achieve a miracle of wealth-creation by
selling at much the same price that the previous management
would have achieved. |
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//a church could well be taken over and run by the intelligence of
something other than human// |
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Yeah, I think that's *supposed* to happen ... if you think about it.
That would be a church functioning as designed. It's the
complementary case that's a defect. |
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//How would we stop Al?// |
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With something analogous to a Cantor Diagonalisation. That
would be the mathematical equivalent of "Teach it
phenomenology." The details are left as an exercise for the
reader. |
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// for what purpose I can't fathom // |
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To demonstrate that you and the horse have a perfect rapport, are operating at exactly the same intellectual level, and are therefore both deserving of the immediate application of a captive-bolt humane killer followed by expeditious conversion into pet food. |
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Steady on, [8th]; you're not going to assimilate many people with
*that* sort of talk. |
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We Assimilate intelligent life-forms; horses, and those who consider them worthwhile, are ipso facto not in that category. |
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Horses are by and large extremely stupid creatures, but rarely as stupid as their owners. The concept of keeping a half-tonne block of bone and muscle, operated by a primitive random number generator, as a pet, is foolish enough. Compounding the folly by nailing huge lumps of metal to its feet, thus arming it with a set of lethal Brobdignagian knuckle-dusters, is pure insanity. |
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The damage a horse can do with single, casual kick is terrifying. |
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Horses are also capable of ignoring humans who have never done them any harm, and simply want them to come in out of the rain so they can be brushed down, have their hooves cleaned, and be given some nice horse food for which they have done nothing whatsoever to earn. |
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// horses use all of their brain matter // |
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No, they don't. If they did, they wouldn't do any of the utterly stupid, self-defeating things they're prone to. |
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