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The idea here is not to create a complete phonetic language
in one go but to build up nowns over many years and argue
about the syntax later ;-)
Here is how it works, First off nations elect to join the
project, entitalling them influence in the word creation and
sounds of words, each nation
has a representative and they all
sit around arguing untill they come up with a sound (and
therefore word), for say 'bread'. This new word is then
incorperated along with phonetic spelling in the nations own
language onto the product it describes. New info for
nutrition, ingredients etc is regulaly forced upon
manufacturers so should be no problem here.
Now every time you look at a loaf of bread you are being
exposed to a new word that works for bread in all of the
nations in the project, plus because of the phonetic spelling
in my own language my pronounciation of the word is also
understood.
I would propose a small libary of sounds to cut down
sentances like 'Could I have' into a single short word spoken
before the thing we want.
Pidgins (and Creoles)
http://www-sul.stan...pidgins/pidgin.html
What is a pidgin? [pottedstu, Sep 25 2001, last modified Oct 04 2004]
More detailed Pidgin link
http://www.siu.edu/...a/ling/glsintro.htm
[pottedstu, Sep 25 2001, last modified Oct 04 2004]
Constructed languages
http://www.quetzal.com/conlang.html
Build your own...many have. [Dog Ed, Sep 25 2001, last modified Oct 04 2004]
Universal Chinese
http://www.halfbake...Universal_20Chinese
When I fished in similar waters. [st3f, Sep 25 2001, last modified Oct 04 2004]
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If I wanted to learn Esperanto I would have to take
classes, the idea here is of learning a new language from
my enviroment. This is different I think + easier. |
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Quick as ever, Peter. However, this seems more like a pidgin than Esperanto. That is, a language created by traders out of words from existing languages that consists of names for objects and a few simple verbs, prepostions, and whatever they need to communicate a meaning. In fact, pidgins are not generally considered languages. |
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Darndog seems to underestimate what is required to construct a language. Aside from the question of who's going to label the turds, there's a lot more than nouns you need: verbs, adjectives, conjunctions and other parts of speech, a characteristic word order, tenses and other verb conjugations (voice, mood), noun cases (or other means to express the difference between a subject, an object, an instrument, a location, a receipient), (implicit) rules for forming new words, often gender/classes of nouns, a writing system, a system of phonology (not all sounds are in all languages). |
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maybe I shouldnta used the word 'Language', it conjures
up all those grammatical rules, All I wanted was a simple
way of ordering food & drink on my travels. I would like to
point out that some languages, mandarin for example get
by with a cursory grammatical structure. If I can say
'toasted cheese sandwich & beer' thats all the language I
need. |
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no need for insults peter, your criticism is welcome
though. Again the idea is for people around the world to
learn a new language, pigeon or otherwise, though doing
no more than experiencing their environment. How is that
baked? |
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I cannot find a link to this, so maybe it's another of those cheese-dreams. But I'm sure I heard on the news about a book which contains about 5000 photographs of common objects grouped thematically, designed for a traveller to be able to point to a picture and for a local person to understand him without any words being spoken. I recall the book was made ("written" is hardly appropriate) by a German who photographed half the objects in his house for the book, and I hope some that were not in his house.
This certainly strikes me as useful, if anyone knows who it's by/where to get it. |
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PeterSealy: Spanish is phonetic if you know how to pronounce Spanish, but it's quite alien to English speakers, especially Castillian. (And even then, Spanish varies in pronunciation from place to place.) Should we have an English attempt at pronouncing Spanish as our universal language? |
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Peter: Multilingual packaging is designed to allow the
same packaging to be used across many different
countries or to allow foreign visitors to read the
ingredients etc. It is NOT designed to teach languages as
can be seen by the size and position of the various
translations. There would be no multilingual packaging
with this idea because the phonetic translations would be
different in each country, consider the letter used
for the sound 'W' in English and German. |
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This system could of course be used to teach English to
the rest of the world, but after conversation with friends
from here and there, I find most dislike having English
forced upon them. So It seemed a good idea to create
something new that belonged to the world.
dopey optimist that I am... |
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