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sometimes it can take 15 minutes or more changing from one tube line to another; walking endless tunnels and up and down staircases (for no obvious reason and that always reminds me of Basil Fawlty's establishment). london should invest in a new network of tunnels, below the one we have now, in order
that travellors can descend one short escalator, travel from line to line on another network of trains (smaller and possibly seatless) which will take you to another short escalator up to the correct platform of the new line.
Alternative Tube Map
http://www.london-tubemap.com/
[mitxela, Feb 09 2013]
Finsbury Circus
http://c1038.r38.cf...circus_wa261108.jpg
[not_morrison_rm, Feb 09 2013]
some airports have conveyors for people
http://25.media.tum...Z31rxs8byo1_500.jpg
[xandram, Feb 11 2013]
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yo dawg... I put a train in your train and got you a
shake-weight, so you can train while you train while
you train. |
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I'd sooner see the taxpayers' money spent on
creating undergrounds for those many towns
which
lack them but have outgrown their road network.
Lousy though public transport is in the UK, London
already has the best of it. Or are you suggesting
that Londoners fund this themselves? I'm guessing
at least ten billion quid, which puts it at about a
grand per person. |
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In Cambridge and Oxford, a good start could be
made
by knocking through between the wine vaults of
the
colleges. As a bonus, wine bars could be set up in
the stations. |
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we funded a major proportion of the olympics so why not? councils are making huge savings by mutilating our hospital, police and fire services. not sure little villages like oxford and cambridge need a tube system - they have bikes after all. |
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Your contribution toward the many Olympic venues
here in Cambridge is greatly appreciated. |
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Given the rip off cost of using the tube, which must be the
most expensive underground system in the world, I'm
always surprised that there are not individual sedan chairs,
being carried by high speed sprinters, running up and down
the tunnels. The tube is such a dismal system, that it's not
even air conditioned in the summer; doesn't operate after
11.45 each night, and is constantly packed to
overflowing.... All of this for about £50 a week to use. Give
me Tokyo or New York, or Berlin, or Paris any day. I've used
them all, and London's, for all Boris's crowing about it, is
the
worst, and definitely the most expensive by a mile. My
advice? Flood the whole system and use it for canoes. |
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There aren't?? When did they discontinue that
service? |
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Alternatively look at the A-Z, rather than the Tube map. |
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Changing from the Northern Line to the Central Line option 1) Bank Station, walk for miles underground, very boring. A look at the A-Z reveals option 2)Moorgate to Liverpool St, same distance but above ground with fetching views of some fairly pretty buildings and a park. |
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Picadilly Circus to Leicester Sq it's only 400 metres, so just walk it. |
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flood it - great idea [xenzag] |
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But there are travelators at Bank! Although I say this as someone who prefers to take the stairs to the escalators. |
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I recently discovered an alternative tube map, that while still symbolic (i.e. distances are stretched in places) manages to correspond to the geographic map much better. I think it's excellent, barring the possible confusion around oxford circus. |
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//But there are travelators at Bank |
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Off the top of my head, those are for the Waterloo and City line, not yer actual Central Line ->Northern Line...which is the full 500 foot + |
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Ok, you can look at the inside of a tunnel on travelator or Finsbury Circus, sealink. |
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// for no obvious reason // |
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What you don't realise is that Spacetime under London is rather badly crumpled, and that the Underground map is a complete fiction concocted by H. G. Wells, Sir Arthur Conan-Doyle and King George V, later revised by Aleister Crowley with the assistance of Ernest Rutherford. This is a result of the unfortunate premature detonation of the Higgs-Newton Dimensional Compression Bomb on the 31st of June 1645 on the Circle Line between Green Park and Knightsbridge, as Sir Guy Fawkes was transporting the prototype unit to be explained to King Richard IV, resulting in the network convoluting into a 7-space spherical tesseract, making it possible to run trains to Kensington (Olympia) only when the station actually exists, and destroying the original manuscript of the rules of Mornington Crescent which Sir Guy had carelessly used to wrap his portion of fish and chips in. |
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In ordinary five-dimensional space, the entire Tube network occupies a space no bigger than an average Ostrich egg, and for safety reasons is currently stored inside the Orb which forms a vital component of the British Crown Jewels. |
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However, this means that it is not possible to present all the different Tube lines on the same apparent level to users, since in fact they all occupy the same extremely small (and at the same time very large) space. |
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Any attempt to reverse the damage might well just make things worse. After the last time it was tried (admittedly as a desperate defensive measure in 1940), Sir Winston forbade any further attempts, on the reasonable grounds that although the British public could tolerate having thousands of kilos of high explosive dropped on them every night, if a third Charles De Gaulle were to be created then the only available course of action would be immediate unconditional surrender. |
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Considering that was posted at UK peak I'm-just-back-from-the-pub time, it's remarkably well written, and not a single "you're my besht pal, you are". |
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(wonders if one Borg gets pissed, do they all get the hangover...) |
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just asking but does any of this have anything to do with Richard III ending up under a carpark? |
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Aye, it's one law for the rich...five centuries for nowt in a car park, and 'e never got clamped the once... |
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Richard III made it on to Saturday Night Live last
night. Rather funny. Had his friends on. |
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When I saw this idea's title I assumed it would be a carriage
on an underground train in which there would be a model
underground railway layout and in which one could play
with model trains in a knowing, ironic, recursive way whilst
simultaneously travelling on a real underground train. |
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Anyway, regarding the idea - you can't put tunnels under
the existing tunnels because there are probably already
tunnels there for something else, like the Post Office's
private underground railway, or Crossrail. |
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only under the stations - bags of room. aren't they getting rid of the post office line for crossrail? |
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// the tube, which must be the most expensive
underground system in the world // |
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It isn't; Boston's T costs more per trip if not per distance
travelled, and I'm told by my brother-in-law that some
West Coast subway systems are outrageously expensive in
comparison to that. |
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//Ever been to LAX? Friggin' airport has its own tube system just to get from terminal to terminal.
// |
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Actually, [21Q], LAX currently uses above-ground shuttle busses for inter-terminal travel (although very expensive plans for an APM retrofit get floated every so often). In the US, you might be thinking of Washington's Dulles International, or Dallas' DFW, or Chicago's O'Hare, or Houston's IAH, or Atlanta's ATL, or New York's JFK, or San Francisco's SFO airport, all of which have underground automated people-mover systems for inter-terminal connections. Sorry for the correction. |
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// the tube, which must be the most expensive underground system in the world // - depends what journey you take and whether you have an Oyster card and whether you travel off-peak. If you travel between two stations which are very close to one another and buy a peak single ticket, you could pay a lot. E.g. a peak single ticket between Leicester Square and Covent Garden will cost £4.50 - equivalent to £18/km (US$28.40) as the stations are only 250m apart. On the other hand, travelling
off-peak with an Oyster card you can get from St John's Wood to Chesham for only £2.70, a journey of an impressive 49km - equivalent to £0.05/km.
"St John's Wood", as everyone knows, is the only station on the London tube network to have no letters in common with the word "mackerel". |
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Zurich Airport also has an underground railway. At least I assume it's underground as it's a long windowless tunnel. They also play farmyard noises at you in the carriage. |
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//Ever been to LAX? Friggin' airport has its own tube system just to get from terminal to terminal.// |
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Stansted Airport in the UK has trains for this purpose too, though they don't go underground. |
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I've sometimes thought that if it gets much bigger you'll have to start catching internal flights to get to your real flight. |
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//Zurich Airport also has an underground railway. At least I assume it's underground as it's a long windowless tunnel.... |
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How do you know they just aren't pretending? The carriage doesn't move, except a bit of bumping around, and the tunnel is wheels and pushed by midget bears or something? |
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//Give me Tokyo...any day. |
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Yes but, when is the train full in Japan? The answer is, it's never full. Sure you can get another 20 people into the carriage, and then another 40...I got bored of people sleeping on my shoulders. |
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From the title, I thought I was back on the "Double Idea" thing :P |
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ATL's subway is free, but it shouldn't be, because they
seriously need to raise some funds to repair it. If those
cars were running on main line tracks you wouldn't be able
to see out the windows for all of the bad order labels
they'd collect. |
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Detroit's airport, on the other hand, has the nicest airport
shuttle I've ever seen. It's like something out of Star Trek
TNG, all clean lines and rounded corners, brushed stainless
and indirect lighting, and it moves like a maglev. Maybe it
is a maglev. Jenny and I spent the better part of a nine-
hour layover riding it back and forth simply because it had
the most comfortable seats in the whole airport. |
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[hippo] did you know the answer to my question? |
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[po] - no, sorry - plenty of useless trivia and analysis of cost-per-km for mass transit systems though... |
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[bigsleep] - not sure if I'll regret asking this, but what else did "mackerel" mean? |
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//use of the term mackerel. It meant something very different back in the day |
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Well OS X, it has a mackernel, if that's what you are referring to.. |
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