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I don't, bun, but the bullets laying on the table will mess up any balls that roll over them. |
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(+) I hate murder... I kinda like guns. |
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Ricochet should keep the table free of bullets and there's no need to spend travel time between locations, Just slowly rotate the table to line up your shot. |
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HESH rounds and solid tungsten balls ought to do the trick,
although the playing surface may need to be enlarged. |
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P.S. Comp shooters sometimes play a target game called
".308 billiards" (or .223 billiards, or whatever caliber
happens to be on the range that day), which involves a
3'x3' square target with five 3-4" dia. 'pockets' (TL, TR, BL,
BR, & center, like an archery target). The shooter must
call his or her shot; a hit scores 1 point, a miss scores -1,
and hitting a pocket other than the called pocket scores -
5. It's something to do on a sunny day when the match is
over but nobody wants to go home; I'm not aware of any
formal organization or rules. |
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There should also be a sniper raffle so that the less
skilled snipers will still have a chance at winning
something. |
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I would prefer archery billiards I think. |
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[bliss], may I respectfully suggest that your hatred is
actually for the things that people choose to do with guns?
Hating guns is something like hating ball-point pens or
dutch ovens. |
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Not trying to start an argument here (nor am I advocating),
but firearms have been getting a lot misdirected bad press,
and I've always thought of you as very open-minded. Such a
strong blanket statement struck me as out of character. |
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No, I've always hated guns. And knives made to kill
people, and anything to do with murderous weapons. I
hate war. All wars. There is no gun in the world that I
find pretty, or attractive, or worth a rotten nickel.
Just me. Sorry. Closed minded as it is. I don't blame
them for the seemingly recent, rash of assaults on the
innocent, I just hate guns. They make me want to run
and cry. Don't know why. |
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I have it spelled right now. |
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A rotating table is genius 2fries |
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I get both points of view. |
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Guns are one of the only tools that have a single purpose.
Even if the firearm has never launched a bullet that broke flesh, it's original and only actual use is to do so. |
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That said, they are a beautifully simplistic invention. If I needed to kill to feed my kin I could. If I needed to defend myself I would be able to. There's no sense bringing a knife to a gun fight unless that's your only option so, like it of not, guns exist and I think that teaching safe handling of them at a young age should be encouraged if for no other reason than you'll more easily determine which kids get off on destruction a bit more than they should. |
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A short experiment with an air rifle and the second-
best billiards table revealed a few potential snags.
First, ivory dents. Second, baize is not pellet-proof. |
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However, it did provide several moments of
amusement, so [+] |
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// I have it spelled right now.
// |
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Guns were originally invented as weapons of war,
and for centuries remained as weapons for the
military. |
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The other uses (hunting, defense,
sport/recreational target shooting) came later, but
nearly all technological advances in firearms design
have had a military purpose, and that purpose is to
kill people. |
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So it is true that its original purpose was to kill
people.
However, it is no longer the only actual use. |
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//Guns were originally invented as weapons of war// |
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Well, you could say that about practically anything, from
the Sherman tank to the orbital ion cannon. Even the rock
was invented because some chimp needed some way to
bash some other chimp over the head and take his berries. |
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//military ... that purpose is to kill people// tsk. |
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Here's hoping that the French train stays in the title |
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// Guns were originally invented as weapons of war, // |
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Actually, the rudimentary hand-held brass and iron mortars
that slowly evolved into firearms (which European
explorers who returned from the Far East called
arquebuses) were invented as launching mechanisms for
fireworks. Later on, as people with a better understanding
of metallurgy got in on the game, firearms were indeed
developed for the armament of soldiers, but the evolution
of sporting arms (i.e. for hunting) and combat arms
occurred more or less simultaneously. This is evident in the
numerous examples of flintlock muskets which have no
integral ramrod or tamping device, requiring such items to
be carried separately and considerably lengthening the
reload time. These firearms were manufactured in the
same era as those including such expedient features, often
in the same workshops. |
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The simple truth is that firearms serve many roles today,
and have done for the entirety of their existence. To say
that guns were invented as weapons of war and
subsequently adapted to other purposes is akin to saying
the same thing about knives, axes, or wheels. |
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//If you're going to claim that target shooting is not a legitimate sport in its own right // |
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Of course not, that's what I use mine for, but they were still designed as instruments of death so I can understand how people can hate them even though they are inanimate objects. |
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//we may be one or two bow & arrow rampages away from a ban on archery// |
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shhhhhhh! they'll hear you... |
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You know I never mentioned banning guns, I just said I
personally hate them. I'm not against others having
them, if they must. I just don't get any yahooos when I
see one. It makes me want to cry instead. Just to
clarify. |
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I love nuclear bombs. It's the things people do with them I disapprove of. |
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//Orion// nuclear pulse propulsion is one of the dumber things we could try...But you make a good point [norm]; there might be a peaceful use for such bombs (meteor deflection?) |
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Perhaps feminizing weapons by giving them stripey ruffles? |
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I dare you. We'll meet at the bar. We'll wear lacy collars, cuffs, and hats with feathers in them. Of course, we'll have flintlock pistols, and have to drink flat ale, but what price fashion. Drinks are on me. |
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I think this could be played with cannonballs on an icehockey rink. Cannonballs (or possibly shottputs?) are dense and durable, and the rink can be regenerated between games. One could hybridize with golf by allowing more than one "cue"; sniper riffles are fine but confer an invariable amount of kinetic energy. The caddy could have a rack of different weapons, chosen according to requirements of the shot. |
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To make even more golfflike the game could be played on a frozen lake, with snowmobbiles for golf carts. This would allow water hazards, snow bunkers etc. I think this scenario would be more forgiving of the large energies involved. There would be less danger from ricochets as well. |
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// A short experiment with an air rifle and the sec revealed a few
potential snags. // |
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A short experiment with a Pains-Wessex 38mm flare pistol and a
set of 38mm snooker balls revealed a few potential snags. |
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Firstly, even with a reduced charge, the recoil is fierce. |
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Secondly, despite poor obturation due to mismatched bore/
projectile diameter and improvised wadding, the kinetic energy
of the balls is considerable. |
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Thirdly (this is one of the most important points), when the ball
hits a rigid surface, for example a sheet of chipboard, at low
angle of incidence, the colision is almost perfectly elastic, and
the ball rebounds with very little diminution of velocity but with
an unpredictable trajectory. Subsequent impacts with other
objects in the vicinty occur in very rapid succession giving little
or no opportunity to take avoiding action. |
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Fourthly, apparently all breakages must be paid for. |
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Fifthly, the ventilation systems in a typical squash court are not
really very good at clearing large amounts of powder smoke. |
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Sixthly, if a large-calibre firearm is repeatedly discharged
indoors, even on a Sunday when nobody else is supposed to be
on site, eventually someone is going to come and ask what all
the noise is, and even if their reaction is "Oh no, not you again. I
might have known it" it is best to have a convincing explanation
prepared. |
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I think if you just stuck a pool cue into the end of the rifle, it would work like one handed pool. |
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Pretty certain you could use a spud gun, removing the necessity to move back several miles from the table. |
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/stuck a pool cue into the end of the rifle/ |
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Could a pool cue be fired from a spear gun? |
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Probably. If a two-part pool cue is separated at the joint and the
front part placed on a crossbow, it can be propelled with
considerable force but relatively poor accuracy. |
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Since most spear guns are in essence crossbows, if the cue can be
loaded into the unit then it's likely it can be shot from it. |
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I think if you just stuck a pool que into the end of a rifle,
the overpressure would strip the barrel like a banana peel
and blast the receiver into shrapnel. A crossbow might be
better. Never handled a speargun, so I dunno about that
one. |
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But that's just what I think. Go ahead and test your idea.
Just use your own rifle, and don't stand near me when you
fire. |
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In the video game Timesplitters 2, on the Chicago level, there's a pool table in the night club which can be played using your rifle. It's very difficult not to have the balls ricochet off the table though. |
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"most spear guns are in essence crossbows" |
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Actually most spear guns are in essence rubber band rifles. I've shot my share. |
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This would be slightly difficult, unless the shot was performed underwater, since the guns are designed to be held floating in front of you with one hand on the trigger/handle and the other on the butt of the gun to prevent the recoil from driving the gun butt into your teeth. |
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Guys still get overambitious and build big guns with multiple bands, then fire them and dislocate fingers and teeth. |
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This might actually work with very light loads and wax
bullets. |
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It doesn't work with 5.56mm soft point factory loads. That
is to say, early experimentation did not yield promising
results. Further experimentation has subsequently been
banned by spousal mandate. |
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One fragment flew almost 35 feet. |
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If I gathered and reconstructed the target, the area of
impact might be loosely defined as a hole, then. The
amount of powder still coating the chopping block where I
set the ball would suggest the creation of some form of
crater. |
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How fortunate for the Halfbakery that my my family owns
an incomplete set of billiard balls--now somewhat more
incomplete. And to think my wife classifies these things as
'useless junk'. |
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Somewhere along the way, we need to make a journal of test results. The International Journal of Unrepeatable Studies for which Common Sense would have Prevented the Initial Trial, or some such. |
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To quote Thomas Dolby, "SCIENCE!" |
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I tried another one from a bit further off. I saw it go
spinning away in one piece, but watching through the
scope it was hard to tell where it landed and I couldn't find
it before dark set in. I may not find it until spring. |
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