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So my daughter and I were investigating Pantone 448 C, the "ugliest colour in the world". It's a sort of weak dingy brown/green.
This is legally required to be used as the main colour of cigarette packets in many countries, with the aim of removing any residual 'cool' accruing to cigarette brands.
We
thought this didn't go far enough, and considered whether the themselves cigarettes should also be this colour. While that might be aversive, I had a concern that people would worry that the pigments used were /harmful to health/ when inhaled.
Which led to the question - why not use something which is known to be safe, but more directly undesirable?
We should legislate to make cigarettes smell of farts.
Pantone 448 C
https://en.wikipedi.../wiki/Pantone_448_C
[Loris, Feb 21 2023]
Legal, bad and almost completely gone as a problem.
https://www.lung.or...rall-tobacco-trends
An educated population, pretty much the panacea to almost all problems. [doctorremulac3, Feb 21 2023]
Dunno, that color looks pretty good to me. Guess it depends on what you put it on.
https://www.pintere...199565827215817232/
[doctorremulac3, Feb 21 2023]
Bennificial effects of nicotine according to Pub Med.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1859921/
[2 fries shy of a happy meal, Feb 22 2023]
Now that the healthcare controversy has been solved.
https://www.youtube...watch?v=GOyaxuTEVMo
Let's all have some dolphin safe tuna. [doctorremulac3, Feb 22 2023]
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Interesting. How about having the filter portion made to taste bad? |
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Eh, guess people would just rip it off or put it in a holder. Disregard. |
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[+] for the concept though. |
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By the way, as a libertarian I love the idea of having people be able to choose to do stuff that's not good for them but for others having the freedom to offer do whatever's necessary to help these people know they're buying something that's bad for them and helping them get away from it. |
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Freedom from the government ruling your life AND success at reducing the use of harmful products. We did it and it really can be done. (see link) |
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// We should legislate to make cigarettes smell of farts // |
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I'd often wondered which way to do it, make the product weaker and less deadly so users might avoid acquiring cancer until their lives are nearly over (from something else, perhaps even old age) or make the product so deadly and foul that near-immediate sickness would be the obvious deterrent. |
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Since you're making cigarettes unpleasant why not go all the way and demand they taste like poo and cut your lips? Or you could stop this nonsense and treat me like the adult I am. |
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Don't they smell and taste foul already, but the addiction overides the nastiness and makes the person get use to the grossness? |
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So if you don't like it, it's proof it's unlikable to everyone? |
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I misunderstood, I was assuming these would be optional. |
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Which I still think is a neat idea. Making this mandatory just opens up a black market. |
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That being said, as a former user of chewing tobacco, I never really thought taste entered into it. It's about the jolt you get from nicotine going sublingually into your bloodstream in a matter of seconds. |
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I clicked on the Pantone 448 C link; it seems a nice colour to me (though I am viewing it on a monochrome display, for what that is worth) |
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I was kind of happy myself to see that I didn't find anything wrong with that color. It's brown, one of my favorite colors in mid century architecture. A nice Eichler with that for the dark trim and lighter shades for the rest of the exterior? Could be beautiful. |
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I am so bloody tired of this ever growing politically correct nanny that state folks seem to think I will allow myself to be ruled by. |
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Good luck with that.
You're gonna need it. |
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Besides, nicotine is actually good for you. [link]
It is the additives and the method of intake which causes cancer in humans. |
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Maybe instead, we should regulate all of the shit which companies have paid politicians to allow to be added to tobacco instead of legislating restrictions on the end user. |
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[Voice] does have a point. People are free to use whatever product(s) they like even ones that may have proven end-of-life health complications. |
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I suppose my beef is that once they have acquired such complications we all get to pay for it, either financially or emotionally. Or both. |
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We might instead remove all warning labels and coloring from such products but include a note that should one choose this particular vice, their vice-related end-of-life healthcare is on their dime. |
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As long as this is voluntary, I think it really could potentially be a useful idea. |
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Be sort of an aversion therapy, but be interesting to know if people would just start associating the stink or foul taste with getting that nicotine fix. |
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There's at least an experiment in here someplace. |
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//include a note that should one choose this particular vice, their vice-related end-of-life healthcare is on their dime.// |
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Does that include cheeseburgers, crisps, and bacon? If not, what's the cutoff? Can I smoke a cigarette twice per month without losing access to social healthcare? Four times? How many times can I skydive before the system is no longer willing to accept my risks? Not rhetorical questions. |
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Well, this is where private vs public healthcare contrasts. Socialized medicine would say do whatever you want, you're covered, since everybody's covered, private would give you a rate based on your skydives per day etc. |
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Best system is the hybrid in my opinion, having both. Which by the way, is exactly what they have in famously socialized medicine countries as well as famously NOT socialist countries like the US, which has a massive public health care system. |
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So everything's great, everybody's happy. Now let's all have some dolphin safe tuna and sing Kumbaya. |
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// but include a note that should one choose this particular vice, their vice-related end-of-life healthcare is on their dime.// |
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That's bullshit.
I've spent my entire adult life paying for the health care of others while not costing anyone else a single dime. |
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It's a very long fall off that high horse.
It's time that those who profit finally pay their fair share of the mess 'they' purposefully created. |
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It's time for shit to roll uphill folks. |
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