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[edited] Please read idea carefully. It has layed out all
practical elements and stages, each well known, to
accomplish the task. A follow up annotation has been
added.
By genetic engineering, plant into the krebs cycle
following
the mitochondria working extra hard after a nice
chlorophyl
session with a lot of light. Instead of moving the proton
freed
into NADH and ATP get it to run an electric eel's
modified electric organ (corrected: was Weberian
apparatus).
Then use concentrating mirrors to work on the tree. You
get everything: oxygen freed, carbon dioxide turned to
sugar, a nice cooling effect, a nicer greener and
healthier looking landscape and electricity! Voilla...
(?) That pesky step 2
http://annieinfinit...-occurs-cartoon.png
Bane of many a great idea [doctorremulac3, Feb 01 2011]
http://www.huffingt...trici_n_283244.html
[rcarty, Feb 02 2011]
Mitochondrial Turbocharger
Mitochondrial_20Turbocharger
This idea in reverse? [Wrongfellow, Feb 02 2011]
Photosynthesis ion extraction
http://www.oppapers...-Solar-Cells/562661
[pashute, Feb 04 2011]
A solar array shaped using a tree shape
http://www.popsci.c...-fibonacci-sequence
and the Fibonacci sequence [theircompetitor, Aug 19 2011]
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Unless someone who knows what they're talking about comes forward pretty soon to say that this idea is basically workable, then it'll get [mfd]'ed for genetic engineering magic. |
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Hey, I'm a pretty forward someone who knows about talking and comes too soon... wait, let me read [hippo]'s post again. |
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Ok nevermind. Good luck with everything. |
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I had actually thought of this once. The plan I came up with was: |
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1- Decide to have trees generate electricity, |
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2- Figure out how to do it, |
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3- Have lots of free electricity from trees. |
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Phases 1 and 3 were solid, but I got a little hung up on phase 2. That being said, it's not something that I'd discount as patently impossible. You've got energy in the way of sun, you've got the tree that already changes solar energy to chemical energy. Figure out how to turn that chemical energy into electrical and you're good to go. Just gotta get around that pesky number 2. (See link) |
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This has worked IRL, sort of. The energetic electrons produced from photosynthesis have been linked to conductors and produce electricity from photosynthesis directly. |
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However, no GM was involved. I don't know enough about how electric eels work, but I somehow doubt that animal structures and tissues could be engineered into plants with anything short of sufficently-advanced magic. Besides, the plant needs those protons to keep the photosynthetic cycle running. |
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If you look at it on a geographic time scale, we are already making electricity with trees, via coal. |
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Man, I'd hate to get my kite close to one of these. |
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It could also stop people nipping behind trees for a sneaky pee. |
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[marked-for-deletion] magic, and an unseemly reliance on genetic engineering |
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Why not combine this with the Mitochondrial Turbocharger, to achieve... er, not very much, I suppose. |
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OK, here goes. How to do it: |
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Step 1: Electrocyte aparatus component: The eel's
electrogenesis has been fairly studied. Its
workings are understood. This tissue can be
grown appart and independently of the living eel.
The tissue can and already HAS BEEN induced to
reproduce while in vitro (while sepparated from
the living animal), and the genetic sequence for
the Elecrtrocytes in several types of electric fish
and other deep sea creatures has been
determined. The input to this process is ATP, and
sodium and potassium ions. |
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Step 2. Getting electrons from the water by
energy from light: The Photosynthesis - which is
the Chloroplast activity = the Calvin-Benson cycle
has thoroughly been studied and the biochemical
steps for breaking away one proton from the
water (which is oxygen and two protons - with 2
electrons attached to those protons) is well
understood and known. Further down the process
the second proton is broken off too (if I recall
correctly attached to NADP). The process of
changing the biochemical paths of this "cycle"
(called so because the mostly organic chemicals in
the process are re-used) have also been carried
out for at least 15 years now. |
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3. Produce electric buildup: So, one of three: |
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3a. Either gather the positive and negative ions
(don't remember exactly NADP+ ? CH2O-- ) and
instead of accumulating ATP for the tree's buildup
process (of course any vegetation can be used),
take it directly to build up an electric voltage and
run a power station from it. |
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3b. Or use the ATP from the photosynthesis to
feed a section of the cell which will work as an
electrocyte - pumping the potassium and sodium
ions which are abundant in the sea to create a
voltage accross the cell. If an artificial electrocyte
can be made based on the real one, then it is most
probably a small step to geneticly engineer one. |
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3c. Or create a tissue of electrocytes immersed in
seawater, that is fed from the photosynthesis
products (in the usual way for plants, and similar
to how the cells of mongrove roots grow). |
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Yes, Wrongfellow is Right. |
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how about a giggly mass gelatinous tree with skeletal branches that compress electrlytic ceramics at the roots which is also the source of it's giggliness |
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I was serious. rcarty - your link is about using a side
effect of tree acidity (and therefore ion
concentration). My idea is to use photosynthesis
directly or almost directly for creating electricity. |
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Please delete your last anno. |
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This idea seemed like the best place to attach this
annotation about a brilliant experiment |
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