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Balsa wood can weigh as little as 0.04 gm/cc.
Tungsten hexafluoride, a colourless gas, clocks in at .013 gm/cc.
Build your ship in a bottle, pour in some WF6 and cork it. Jiggle the bottle and watch a floating-in-midair Flying Dutchman crest invisible waves.
... and I woulda got away with it
http://www.youtube....watch?v=XjCmwuGKR6g
if it weren't for those pesky kids. [FlyingToaster, Jun 11 2011, last modified Jun 14 2011]
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Apart from the fact that WF6 is extremely corrosive and very damaging to organic tissue on even the slightest exposeure, there's nothing wrong with this idea whatsoever. |
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Could the model be of the USS Enterprise, NCC-1701 ? |
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Well, you'd actually want to fill the bottle with very dry air before pouring in the WF6. Regarding the model, an hydrogen-free formula'd "anti-fouling paint" below the waterline should preserve it. |
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You'll be taking the "unfinished" model I presume, 8/7 ? |
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[+] sounds like fun! I'd like a little floating ballerina in mine, thanks! |
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Although, I'll take mine floating face down. |
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I love it. A scrolling background might be a nice touch. |
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I have to ask, was this inspired by the latest Pirates of the Caribian movie? |
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// taking the "unfinished" model // |
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Yes indeed, we intend to electroplate it with Unobtanium to give a long, trouble-free service life. |
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A very thin shell pressurised with gas would be even lighter. |
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Awesome idea, [FT]! Two buns up! [+] [+] |
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You could use the much safer sulfur hexafluoride. While it
only has a mass of about 0.006 g/cm^3, remember that
you ARE building a boat after all. You could design the
boat with an airtight air (or even helium) bladder, to keep
it from sinking down to the bottom of the shallow clear
sea. |
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What is this "safer" of which you hu-mons speak ? Your words are strange to us... |
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//Pirates of the Caribbean// umm, an attempt to defraud the Dean drive demonstration, from Vernon's ARTRR post a few months back actually. |
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//sulfur hexaflouride// *that* one'd be quite safe to build in a bowl. You could also suck some up in a straw and lower the pitch of your voice temporarily (reverse Helium effect). It's dielectric constant is quite low compared to air so you might be able to set something up for a "lightning storm" that only attacked the ship from above. |
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However, Tungsten hexafluoride's BP is 17.1C and its MP is 2.3C so with a bit of household level refrigeration trickery you could have it stuck in an ice jam or floating in a liquid, as well as floating in mid-air at room temperature. |
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Is this before or after it hydrolyses from atmospheric moisture,
eats though the container its in, causes you critical burns and
poisons you ? |
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[8th] That's the WF6 but there's no acid until *after* it eats some Hydrogen (HF) so as long as the air in the bottle is dry and the bottom of the boat has its "anti-fouling paint" applied before you pour in the WF6 there shouldn't be any problems. |
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SF6, which is what [ytk] suggests as an alternative, is quite safe without all the precautions (according to WP). But then you'd lose the phase-change possibilities of the advanced project. § x1 |
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// there shouldn't be any problems // |
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OK, good, now we're totally reassured and happy. |
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Okay, beyond the fact that this is a really cool idea, this is
weird, very very weird; I just spent the last few hours
reading about the source(s) of the Flying Dutchman legend.
I'm not kidding. |
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Also, I happened to catch the tungsten hexaflouride
episode of Mythbusters not two weeks ago. Coincidence? |
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I can't find any reference to a Tungesten Hexafluoride MythBusters' spot. I just found a YouTube clip of Adam lowering his voice a couple octaves using Sulfur Hexaflouride; I assume that's the one you mean (I'm not a regular watcher of the series). |
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//Coincidence?// This was posted about 12 hours ago, so you must be well tuned in to the HB zeitgeist. |
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Howabout just filling the ship with hydrogen, or would that be just too safe? |
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Howabout about going all the way and making the ship a mini-vacuum-dirigible? Then all you need is air in the bottle? |
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// ship a mini-vacuum-dirigib// |
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In that case does not need even a bottle, ship should be able to float in the mid-air just like that, which I doubt since the weight will surpass force of buoyancy. |
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I'm curious as to why no one asked for a *Flying Toaster*!! haha |
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I have an art-work which I made sometime ago which is a Submarine in a Bottle.... must post an image of it. |
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I actually have a few _ _ _ _s in bottles pieces. This is a good one FT - well done [+] |
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[Toasty] yes, it was sulfur hexaflouride, not tungsten; they
were using it to float a tinfoil boat on "invisible" water. My
bad. I only watch tv once or twice a month myself, so I
rarely remember specific details of the shows. It was just
the 'hexaflouride' part that jogged my memory. |
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They couldn't get it to float(?) There's one of a couple little kids who manage to do that... gah, 3 years ago <link> |
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I'd like a toaster in a bottle. Could be floating. |
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Yes, I've definitely got that self-toasted feeling. I'll hang onto it though: the post is superior in terms of artistic and potential antipersonnel functions. |
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Most of this discussion goes over my head. But wouldn't a simple solution be to use a mag-lev concept and float the boat using like polarities in the keel of the boat and a similar polarization in the skin of the bottle? |
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[jurist] faux "rocks" on the bottom of the bottle perhaps, but you wouldn't be able to get the thing to roll with the waves since there wouldn't be any. |
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I saw something quite similar although not as cool where someone had filled a bottle with two different oils and the boat floated between them. |
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