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"F*ck Cigarettes"
Anti smoking campaign featuring anti smoking sexualization ads. (apologies for the ugly word but it's kind of the point) | |
Being rude vulgar and crass, this wouldn't be something you'd see on billboards or TV, it would be limited to underground, alternative, goth, emo, punk websites, t-shirts, posters etc. Whatever kids are doing these days to be rebellious.
Might be a cause taken up by influencers, rebellious types
etc. Cigarettes were always sold as being rebellious and cool, this idea would be to take that image and transfer it to non smoking.
Which you wouldn't be able to do with a slogan like "Be a good boy or girl and don't smoke just like mommy and daddy say."
Yea, it's ugly, but as somebody who used to be addicted to these things, wish somebody had countered the great images portrayed by cigarette smokers in my youth. (links)
You could also have an associated youth anti smoking campaign that is specifically designed to counter the "Smoking and you'll get laid" campaigns of past decades with a guy flirting with a pretty girl who's clearly interested in him until he lights up a cigarette, she starts coughing and waving the smoke away with her hand before getting up and leaving. You could run these ads on TV just leave out the F word part.
If this had any effect might be able to do a "F drugs" thing. Admittedly that's a lot more complicated though.
Best cigarette ad in history.
https://www.youtube...watch?v=nLXoZ69ce-I
[doctorremulac3, Sep 21 2022]
A more recent "rebel".
https://www.pintere...739294095050358491/
Doing big tobacco's bidding. [doctorremulac3, Sep 21 2022]
Not sure there were any rock musicians that didn't smoke.
https://www.google....AQE&sclient=gws-wiz
[doctorremulac3, Sep 21 2022]
Use this as a model of what NOT to do.
https://www.scienti...say-no-doesnt-work/
I was one of the youth this was directed at. Made me WANT to take drugs. [doctorremulac3, Sep 21 2022]
Nico campaign
https://www.iapi.ie...1347297994_nico.pdf
"The task for advertising was to make cigarette smoking unfashionable and something that reduces rather than increases attractiveness to the opposite sex. Tone of voice is absolutely critical in successfully influencing this audience. Patronizing or preachy advertising will result in a rejection of the message and prompt the opposite behaviour to that which we want to achieve." [mylodon, Sep 21 2022]
De-coolifying
https://www.youtube...watch?v=fYu8crlRe9g
[mylodon, Sep 21 2022]
George Orwell's military experience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POUM
[doctorremulac3, Sep 22 2022]
Books vs Cigarettes
https://readingmatt...s-by-george-orwell/
[mylodon, Sep 22 2022]
Dumb Ways to Die
https://www.youtube...watch?v=_H8blstI4w4
The punchline comes around 1:52, followed by the interview with the creator. [pertinax, Sep 24 2022]
One approach to quitting.
https://www.youtube...watch?v=7zXQPNNMtLo
[doctorremulac3, Sep 25 2022]
The Onion circa 2010
New Anti-Smoking Ad...'It's Gay To Smoke'
Being gay isn't the slur it used to be, but I think the intent is the same. [DIYMatt, Oct 06 2022]
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There is no "F cigarettes" youth targeting anti smoking campaign. |
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//without inventing new means to bring about or stop the discussed issue // |
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Again, read the idea but might want to read the help file you're citing too. |
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Various graphics might help. They say a picture is worth a thousand words so perhaps a blackened, diseased set of lungs dripping with crud, an ashen face with tiny creases and wrinkles and hollow sunken eyes, tobacco stained teeth, a person dying in an oxygen tent, the annual tab for a two-pack-a-day habit, and maybe a graphic depicting tobacco execs gleefully enjoying themselves on your addiction. |
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Certainly nothing new, but to have it shoved in your face in an ad campaign might be the deciding factor. |
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I've seen anti-smoking ads like this. Pictures of smokers lungs and such. Maybe it's the media you choose to consume? |
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From my perspective this is not only baked but done in such a heavy-handed overbearing way it has become tedious and oppressive over the past couple decades. Certainly different countries handle this differently. But in commonwealth nations, cigarette cartons are horrific magnified displays of disease, PSAs constantly show people not hooking up, or getting 'limp' cigarettes etc. Every single tactic is used to make cigarrettes and people who smoke them unappealing. |
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I'm not sure what more can be done there beyond banning outright, and that also is happening. Then from this we can move on to all the other vices that cause load on the health system. |
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To clarify, this has never been done. |
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My idea wasn't about showing pictures of diseased lungs, it's about de-sexualizing and de-coolifying smoking being aware of how they were sold and countering those specific messages. |
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Showed an example or two, but it's an overall message that hasn't been tried before. The message has been "Be a good rule follower, don't smoke." This is "Be a rebel and actually get laid. Fuck smoking. Let the incel sheep buy into the corporate BS." Implied though, not actually worded that way. |
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Maybe show a non smoking guy getting into a bar fight and kicking the ass of a smoker who's gasping for breath. Maybe the fight started when the strong guy turned down a cigarette from somebody and the smoker made fun of him for it. Then show all the guys in the bar, who formerly thought the tough guy smoker was cool marveling at the actual tough guy (who walks out of the bar with the hot chick obviously) and putting out their cigarettes. |
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Give the ads an edge. People should see them and say "Hey! You can't say that! These aren't boring and preachy, in fact they're dark and even kind of evil in some ways.". |
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I remember being young. Preachy didn't work for me. |
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Of course if you remove this (and vaping) as visible and simple ways to show your rebellion and independence while expanding your aura physically, you need to introduce some new habit to fill the vaccuum. |
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Pocket plasma balls to make your hair stand up? |
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I have no idea what kids are into these days. What can compete with a cloud of vapor? |
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It might be kids will just want more filters for their ticktocks. |
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You also have to compete with this: |
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"“I like to think of fire held in a man's hand. Fire, a dangerous force, tamed at his fingertips. I often wonder about the hours when a man sits alone, watching the smoke of a cigarette, thinking. I wonder what great things have come from such hours. When a man thinks, there is a spot of fire alive in his mind--and it is proper that he should have the burning point of a cigarette as his one expression.” - A.R. |
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Nowadays, I suppose it is energy encapsulated in the lithium ions of your phone. |
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mylodon, great links, but WOW! Who wrote that amazing "cigarette is tamed fire at your fingertips" thing? Hell, makes me want to take up smoking again. |
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Here's my take on stuff like cigarettes and booze as a libertarian. I want people to be able to do what they want with their bodies, but if things are bad for you, I think society should rise up and help the individual know the dangers of that path. |
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But I want people to do whatever they want. I had a girlfriend once that smoked. One cigarette at the end of the day, every day. That was it, and she was incredibly healthy. Any doctor that tells you that's going to endanger your life is lying. Just like any doctor who tells you a glass of wine will be good for you. Alcohol is poison, cigarettes are poison, but they can be used to enhance life but if you've got the kind of personality that can do stuff like that in moderation, you probably do everything else in moderation and are therefore probably pretty healthy. |
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So let the individual chose, but point out that misuse of this stuff is a bad choice. My opinion anyway. |
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Died of heart failure at 77. |
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Beat me to it. That's the only one of her books I've ever read. |
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I found her philosophy to be to far away from balance. I agree with capitalism sparking innovation, but disagree with power itself as a goal. |
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It's got its flaws, but I like that her philosophy is in the mix. It's got aspects that are good to consider. |
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I'm into small government controlled by the people, but my hero was a communist in his youth. Not a socialist, a full on communist. George Orwell fought with in the POUM militia. (link) |
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It was his experience seeing how flawed the real world application of communism was to his democratic socialist ideals that led him to write Animal Farm and 1984. (not going to spell it out) |
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Guy's pretty much my high priest. So yes, I get a lot of my political outlook from Ayn Rand and a former communist, two presumably polar opposites. The world's a complicated place, not adhering to any one menu on how to do things. Do I "follow" them? No, I don't follow anybody. |
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I'll get it wrong all by myself, don't need any help. |
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2 fries, I figure there are two approaches to making decisions about complex questions we’re challenged with in life: prescriptive and subjectively objective. Prescriptive is picking a philosophy, group, political party or religion and signing up for it, following all their dictates and basically letting them do your thinking for you. Being subjectively objective is much harder, taking issues on a case by case basis and doing your best to figure it out yourself, trying to be objective while applying your unique perspectives on the world and its questions from your own subjective reality, and adjusting that reality from time to time when your subjective perspective comes up with a wrong answer. |
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The latter is a lot harder than just picking a tribe and not concentrating on the daunting questions life poses, but just following the supplied menu of answers, often zeroing in on how wrong some other tribe, group or political party is. Finding faults with other groups with the idea that someone else being dumb somehow makes you smart by default is comforting. Trying to figure things out on a case by case basis isn’t. |
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Being on your own philosophically and analytically you’ll be wrong sometimes. Hook up with a good groupthink club you’ll never be wrong about anything. |
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It could also be factorized into policies that benefit you; and policies that work better for more people at a larger scale. That is also Orwellian but allows for competing, valid, yet parallel ways of thinking. For people who may appreciate both left and right wing policies. In a way, it's a benefit of the US, as the states allow for this to some degree and some experimentation goes on.
So if you go to vote, do you vote for people or system who will benefit the people around you, or the people or system who will benefit your current situation? Should voting be altruistic or selfish? |
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And can it be cool if you make artisanal hand-rolled cigars from your locally sourced organic tobacco farm? |
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Have a look at the 19th century Temperance movement. Some of it was connected to religious purity but other aspects of it were connected to subersive anti-authoritarianism and self-actualisation and self improvement. |
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//It could also be factorized into policies that benefit you; and policies that work better for more people at a larger scale.// |
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Was thinking about how that applies to a situation we have here with the controversy about the electoral college vs straight popular vote. Whenever one side wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college you'll see that side wanting to overturn that system. But what's to keep people from voting the best interest of their state at the expense of less populated states? A candidate runs on a platform of New York and California not having to pay taxes so all the fly over states can support them. Basically call it the "Elite states retirement plan". (Think that wouldn't get a lot of support in New York and California? Think again. All a stupid idea needs is a premise, a catchy title and a smiling snake oil salesman of a politician to market it.) The solution is to have a reasonable set of rules that keep that sort of thing from happening. |
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But in an imperfect democracy, what if the rules are wrong? That's why I think the best thing to do is let the people control things and learn (hopefully) from their mistakes. At some point no amount of rules can help a society if they're just going to be stupid. But if they do make wrong turns, hopefully they learn from it. Let the people control their destiny and learn from their screwups. If it's an elite dictatorship, either an emperor or an unelected one party system politburo, they never have to pay for their mistakes, only the people they rule over do, but so what? They're still in power and that's the only thing that matters. |
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//Have a look at the 19th century Temperance movement. Some of it was connected to religious purity but other aspects of it were connected to subersive anti-authoritarianism and self-actualisation and self improvement.// |
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I didn't know that, I only knew about the gals with axes breaking up bars. Interesting Poc, I'll check it out. |
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You're trying to make smoking uncool. |
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But smoking is intrinsically cool. |
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What you need to do is make cool uncool. |
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That sounds impossible, but it isn't. Cool didn't always exist in the past. Therefore, cool needn't always exist in the future. |
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An ad campaign against cool, now there's something interesting. |
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Start with showing nerdy kids in school that become high tech billionaires or something. The first idea that comes to mind is "Willy was always the nerdy kid in school..... etc etc..... Bill Gates started Microsoft." |
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Not a fan of Bill Gates but I'm sure there are lots of other much better examples. |
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That's a really good idea. Tag line after a public service spot showing some awkward kid's horrible story that ends with their amazing success: "Sometimes cool... ain't." |
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You might reduce the tolerance for the smoking culture by hitting smokers in the wallet on the bases of health, safety and productivity. Being able to prove conclusively that smoking marks them as undesirable in the workplace may reduce the coolness factor.
- The smell is offensive and lingering, and the residual odor and chemical particles cling to hair and clothing and distributes to their work environment and coworkers afterwards.
- Hiring people intent on harming themselves in slow motion is not a sound long-range plan.
- The various smoke breaks throughout the day typically interrupt the work flow; work does not typically get accomplished during such breaks.
- Smokers can be charged dramatically higher premiums for health insurance. |
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Smoking within public buildings has already been outlawed, so a ban on smoking within the workday itself mightn’t be far behind. Businesses would all have to be on-board with this such that smoking would be something that would mess with your earning potential and therefore your life, pushing people to quit or not develop the addiction in the first place. |
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The smoking industry solved the smoking indoors problem with vaping. Supposedly this is much more addicting because you can add so much more nicotine than with natural tobacco. Lots of flavors too. |
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I was addicted to smoking but was able to quit after some effort, but my addiction to chewing tobacco before that was damn near impossible. I'm told that direct doses of nicotine to the bloodstream like you get with administering it sublingually is very similar to cocaine. So every time I'd take a dip it was basically like me pulling out a mirror and chopping up a couple of lines, although unlike that awkward situation, nobody ever knew I was chewing. You don't chew obviously, you put a pinch in your cheek and discretely spit in a can that you dent so nobody accidentally takes a drink, not that you ever put it down. I dent my cans to this day to identify them. Gives you an indented thumb grip too. |
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I was so addicted that I was offered an extension of a very successful overseas what I'll call a business trip and I decided to come home because my suitcase full of chewing tobacco was empty. I didn't admit it at the time but I didn't feel comfortable quitting my addiction overseas. |
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Ask anybody who's ever been addicted to something. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it doesn't suck. And by the way, tobacco wakes you up when you're tired, calms you down when you're stressed, kind of a miracle drug frankly. Now of course a lot of that stress is actually your addiction kicking in but amounts to the same thing. |
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That does it, I'm going to have to dust off my old meerchaum. |
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Not sure I could pull off smoking a pipe. You have to say sophisticated stuff while standing in a library leaning against a rolling ladder on the bookshelves. |
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In other words you can't be smoking a pipe and say "Hey, how about a "fuck cigarettes" campaign?" At least not with a tobacco pipe anway. |
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//An ad campaign against cool// |
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Arguably, it's already started. See link, from 2012, reframing as just dumb the kind of risk-taking behaviour which boomer teens might have admired as cool. And it seems to be working; my children's generation smoke less, drink less and make fewer reckless sexual choices, compared to the post-war generation. |
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Also, the valorisation of cool was connected with the psychoanalysis movement, and peak smoke roughly coincided with peak shrink. |
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Dang, now I wanna go try a can of Rentishams. Anyone know who can hook me up? |
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I have some black market fake stuff, drop me a PM if you want some |
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Early eighties. No workers compensation rules. Fresh out of school and exposing gas lines from the permafrost by hand...and if you didn't smoke you didn't get a smoke break with the rest of the crew and had to keep digging unless you took up smoking. |
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I've smoked about a pack every three days since I was nineteen.
I'm 53 now. |
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I always said that the day I can't swim the length of an Olympic swimming pool underwater on a single breath is the day that I quit smoking. |
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I thought that would probably be some time in my 30's but nope. If I don't die suddenly and maintain the same pace I've been keeping there is a very good chance that I will still be able to do so into my 70's. |
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I know I told this story before but it bears repeating:
In the Philippines smoking laws are very strict.
I have been smoking for more than 30 years... |
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...So I learned to smoke between the looking, (I had learned how to walk between the looking as a kid and then had to re-learn it while we were there, out of necessity) while I was there and none of those 100 million plus people saw the blue-eyed white boy taking a few drags on a smoke and neither did my family. |
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Is that wrong?
<shrugs>
I don't know. I just know that I could stop smoking pot for several weeks but quitting tobacco cold-turkey in a foreign country was not happening. |
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Fuckers got me addicted and now it's like a buck a smoke.
Our asshole Prime Minister now wants to tack on the price of printing anti-smoking slogans on every fucking cigarette... like we don't already know that they propagandized the shit to the point of "Nine out of ten doctors recommend x-brand of cigarettes for pregnant women." |
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Sorry.
End of a particularly brutal day and into my cups.
Oh yeah... beer, another addiction. |
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I figure, if I don't have at least a few flaws then...
...who will be around to help my family after the Rapture? |
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//beer, another addiction// |
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Well, let's not go too far. Some addictions are better than others. |
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Still... addicted is addicted. Sure I can drink 300 pound men under the table, but I also wake up under anesthetics during surgical procedures... |
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...it's a bit of a shitty trade off if you ask me, and yet here we are. |
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Nothing to do with your idea... |
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... while also having everything to do with your idea. |
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If I try to quit smoking, and I've tried a few times,I become extremely angry.
Me and angry are not a good combination. |
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Like seriously, angry Me is...unpredictable. I keep him caged . |
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So I still smoke a pack like every three days or so, because I worry that my withdrawal symptoms might be more intense than most other people''s might be. |
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Sure you don't need unsolicited advice, but here it is: If you set aside a week or so, you'll get over it and never miss it again. |
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But whatever you do, don't use nicotine gum, inhalers etc. They just allow you to get your nicotine inside rather than having to step outside to smoke. Most devious nocotine industry trick in the world. Pretty damn clever actually. |
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Then again you can do what the guy in the link did. |
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