h a l f b a k e r yI think this would be a great thing to not do.
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This new international organization with millions of
supporters and volunteers, fights the clients of arms deals,
the customers of corrupt selling of islands, anyone benefiting
from displaced peoples around the world, from exploiting
slave labor and women trafficking, or gaining from stripping
lands of natural resources.
The organization forces hotel owners, oil companies, brothel
runners, power holders, to pay back through the Moral World
Organization with plans to rectify the doings with the
amounts of money received, and the assistance of the
affected peoples.
It rebuilds up the lost paradises either in their location or, if
not possible, creates thriving new locations, helping organize
the people to construct an old-new community and learn to
live alongside others without animosity.
I envision using this money so the slaves in Dubai and in the
North Korean camps in the USSR, receive expert instruction
and the funds to build themselves beautiful and comfortable
compounds with running water and electricity, and also to run
a community that has a bit of time to meet and have
intelectual discussions about world issues, and even watch
sports.
Or the people in the slums of Calcutta and Sao-Paulo creating
a beautiful and green new neighborhood for themselves (I'm
talking about vegetation not about black solar energy) with a
new type of dry sewage system and wind powered electricity.
Offer the corrupt leaders forgiveness if they comply.
Start with three or four of the current worst cases. Like North
Koreans, the Uyghurs, the Maldeveans, and the Congolese.
Of course this is on halfbakery, because the second half of the
idea needs a lot of thinking out, since, as far as I know, till
today, multi-culture has rarely succeeded anywhere, only
assimilation into a single main culture. Or am I wrong?
In Israel, which is definitely NOT the worst place for anyone,
but since its my country I'll discuss it, I would imagine
bringing up a new model of multi cultural peace with the
Arabs.
Starting with the Jews (secular, ultra orthodox and settlers)
and Muslims (beduins, falahin, and city, modern and
orthodox, from the Palestinian authority and even from Gaza)
presented with a new model of living alongside each other:
extreme religion and extreme secularity. With the assistance
of facilitation and moderators, experts who assist the cultures
that agree on how they can live alongside each other, without
compromise.
I imagine the two nations learning to talk the languages of
each other, and speaking to each other in a constructive way
at facilitated meetings.
Naa, forget it. There's too much going on. Some Salafist will
hatchet some anti-Zionist anti-temple-mount-prayer Jewish
people's heads off with an ax, in order to protest the
desecration of the Al Aqsa mosque, like a month ago, then the
Israeli army, somewhere on their way to demolish the
perpetrator's house, will shoot at Palestinian civilians and kill
a few saying it was a mistake, and we'll be back in square 1.
This idea is good for a place where the people are willing to
improve their livelyhood and where that alone is the issue. So
lets get back to dealing with the Maldeves, or Congo. Or how
about Hawaii?
Yes Minister!
https://youtu.be/cIYfiRyPi3o?t=257
Sir Humphrey Appleby explains some of the difficulties of morality. [DrBob, Jul 03 2022]
Moral World Organization
https://docs.google...3s/edit?usp=sharing
tables for discussion [pashute, Jul 06 2022]
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/groups
[pertinax, Jul 15 2022]
[link]
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Why is this not an idea? An organization like this could sue
Exxon along with Francisco Asue for their dealings in Equatorial
Guinea, agreeing to settle if they rebuild the country and
facilitate social (non political) activities. It won't rectify the
political situation, and won't have the perpetrators of horrible
crimes sit in jail, but it will help the people who are now being
hurt. No? |
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Which category? What do you suggest? |
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//Why is this not an idea?// |
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It doesn't describe any new concept, invention, or type of organization. Various organizations -- of governments, not for profit and for profit -- have been suing various other organizations for doing bad things since there have been laws. You're just saying WIBNI if there was an organization that could stop all the evil in the world and naming the evils you see as most needing attention. |
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Sorry if you already had it in culture:general. I read that as other:general. |
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You have dreamed a beautiful dream, [pashute], but I'm not
convinced it's a half-bakery idea. |
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Every time this has been tried in the past, giving others authority to determine your personal morals it becomes fanaticism and atrocities are committed with a guilt free conscience such as throwing acid in the face of a disobedient daughter or genital mutilation seen as morally correct. |
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Probably not a popular opinion but both the World Health Organization and the World Moral Organization can go piss up a rope before I will let my rational mind be conned by either. |
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//World Health Organization// |
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No, that was a pretty cool band from the 70's. |
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The reason I posted it here is because I wanted to see what
you my friends think of THIS IDEA, which if, as I expected,
would receive tons of pastry, I would leave everything I was
doing and go establish. |
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Turns out it has its flaws and is considered by you as a bad
idea. |
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I do not accept that. By the way. In Israel there is an
organization called Shurat
Haddeen (the line of law) which successfully sues terrorists
and terrorist organizations and people who advocate
terrorists and terrorism. |
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They were able for example to show that there were
terrorists who admitted to rape in the name of the greater
cause of hate and revenge, while the courts for many years
were never counting the victims as terror victims and
therefore they were not eligible to state supplied assistance. |
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This was achieved when the terrorists themselves proudly
admitted their own reasoning, and even proved it to the
court. |
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I think it is an idea, but WIBN. |
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It would be wonderful if everyone could live along
side each other without compromise. Damn the
humans… |
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//is considered by you as a bad idea. But not not an idea!// |
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An idea cannot both be a bad idea and a nonexistent one. |
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Thank you for telling us about this group, [pashute]. |
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In what jurisduction(s) do they sue? |
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I'm asking this because, if they are your paradigm, and you
want to make a similar group operate worldwide, then I
suspect that some of the first problems you hit will be
jurisdictional. |
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To put it another way, the reason why Amnesty
International writes polite letters instead of serving legal
documents is that, in places where the really bad things
happen, the rule of law has (in most cases) already broken
down. |
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I have only been in Texas once (changing planes on a business
trip in about 2004); could you explain to me what systemic
change has been happening there that amounts to a
breakdown of the rule of law, [Rayford]? |
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I don't know about Texas, but the complete failure to prosecute Epstein's clients (along with his death) are one proof that rule of law is dead in America. Maxwell will not kill herself. |
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Not just in America though. There are many international movers and shakers on that pedo list, but there is suddenly far too much distraction to pay attention to those who fund the campaigns of the sell-outs pretending to serve us. |
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is there anybody here who still doesn't think that the last few years weren't a massive con job?
Or that the World Health Organization didn't remove the word Immunity from the definition of the word Vaccine just prior to shoving these "shots" down the throats of the public, under threat, merely to hand even more power over to the purchased political sell-outs and make billions for the actual string-pullers? |
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Still think I'm a nut-job for sensing it from day one and having balls enough to say so from the start and telling the rest of the planet to pull their heads out of their asses? |
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It's been going on for generations. See Loving
County. |
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And yes, 2f, you're a nut-job. Removing a word or not
doing so is a complete red herring. |
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I fail to see how changing a definition and then enacting governmental powers attributed only to the previous definition of the word vaccine without ratification of said powers based entirely on the new definition of the word and bankrupting the planet so that we all just stop getting in their faces about their corruption is in any way a 'false clue' or red herring. |
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There are none so blind as those who would not see. |
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As was so elegantly stated above, Maxwell will not kill herself.
Feed the public on Dep vs Hurd and seal any lists or information pertaining to the douchebags behind the curtain. |
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It's red herrings all the way down... |
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//Deem corrupt actions as crimes and overturn corrupt transactions//
Whose definition of corrupt are we using here? For example, you mention arms deals. Whilst these may be morally objectionable to some, to others they provide an essential means of defending themselves.
This idea feels like a case of trying to impose your morals on others. In your own country you can lobby for the laws you want & you can elect representatives to negotiate with other nations about moral standards but, as the UN proves, trying to impose a blanket set of standards on the whole world is not achievable without buy-in from everyone involved. |
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I looked it up in Wikipedia. It seems to be a sort of "rotten
borough", of the kind that was eliminated in Britain in 1832.
However, I read that the most senior elected official was
recently arrested for cattle rustling. The most senior
elected official getting away with cattle rustling would
indicate the absence of the rule of law. However, the same
person being arrested for it would seem to indicate the
contrary, wouldn't it? |
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The main thing is that we at the MWO don't stir up a war
against the bad guys, instead, we force them in western civil
courts to make life bearable for the victims, and to
compensate them for their suffering allowing the victims to
enjoy some happiness in their life. (For example through art,
education for their children, and places of commune). |
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The people who pay us are the ones that received the
money for creating these conditions, or the ones that bought
and now own those tools of destruction. |
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Just imagine if "Grace" from Kenya who migrated to India for
prostitution, would know that her whole neighborhood
would have the funding for meeting and working together
with expert facilitation to better their living conditions,
back in Kenya, payed from the pockets of the exploiters. |
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With good publicity, and also funding a similar project in
India itself, the government would surely assist the WMO. |
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Shurat Haddeen fights in European, American, and Israeli
courts. They successfully received some of the grabbed
Shi'ite and Salafi terrorist funding, and use it for the
treatment of victims. |
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No. I'm NOT imposing my morals. Looking at cases that
ANYBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would agree they were
immoral, beyond any doubt. And looking at solutions that
you would all agree are worthwhile. |
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See link to a list of the WMO moral campaigns, for victims of
arms and drugs sales, and victims of energy and mining
industries. For the orangutans, the Pygmy nations of Africa,
displaced peoples and slaves. You are invited to debate
these topics. |
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Loving County is a near-desert that sits on top of a
huge wealth of oil. Almost nobody lives there
(population 57), despite having hundreds of people
on the voting rolls. You can vote there in Texas as
long as you "intend to return there one day." The
board gets paid high salaries despite no functional
town and barely any infrastructure and controls tens
of millions in budgetary investment. Most of the
local government and law enforcement is related. |
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I like your idea. I think what is good is objectively true
regardless of who you are. |
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Some things are objectively good. |
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//Almost nobody lives there [etc.]// |
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Yup, that describes a rotten borough. Which is a Bad Thing.
But a
different kind of Bad Thing from a breakdown of the Rule of
Law. |
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As I understand it, the more urgent threat to the Rule of
Law in the
US at present can be found in North Carolina, in that
SCOTUS is
hearing a case which would allow the current majority in
the NC
state legislature to cheat at elections, with no recourse,
for
opponents, to any kind of judicial review. |
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Now, *THAT* is a breakdown in the Rule of Law (...*if* I've
understood the case correctly, which I may not have done). |
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I know, it's not really my business, I'm not an American, and
don't
live there - but please, you who are and do, please focus on
the
critical, direct attacks on your form of government, and
don't be
overly distracted by the merely annoying and provocative
stuff; the
small-d democratic world needs its superpower. Maybe in
future
that might be India or the EU, but it certainly isn't now. |
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And be encouraged; compulsive liar Boris Johnson has
finally
resigned in the UK (because *no-one* was willing to work
with him
anymore), and in Australia the coal industry lobby has been
firmly
removed from power at the national level - so such things
can be
done. |
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//compulsive liar Boris Johnson has finally resigned in the UK//
Only as leader of the Conservative Party. He is still Prime Minister & will continue to be so until the cronies that have supported him for the last 3 years have finished fighting amongst themselves for his job. I see nothing to be encouraged about, tbh. |
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Funny how we have a similar situation out here in the colonies where beds have been shat and then not vacated. |
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These men and women need their own pronoun I think;
How about Copropholitians? |
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It just sort of rolls off the tongue doesn't it?...
...wait that's gross. |
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The American's would just demand to be in charge of it and
then misuse it for their own ends. |
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That seems like an unnecessarily racist comment. |
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Wait, I'm not allowed to hate countries? |
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