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Inspired by an anno by [lintkeeper2] and by general admiration of *The Artist Formerly Known as [UnaBubba]*. I'm still pretty new here... apologies if I have offended anyone.
(to tune of Prince's 'Raspberry Beret')
I was lurking full time in a kitchen-like clime
My boss was [anonymity]
He told me several times not to halfbake while on-line
'Cos I was a bit too leisurely
Seems that I was browsing something close to nothing
Stupider ideas than ever before
Throw your noisy printers, your effing printers
From your building's top floor, top floor
Twenty-two ideas a day
Filtering trolls gets to be such a bore
Twenty-two ideas a day
The kind you find in a second hand store
Twenty-two ideas a day
I think I slumber
Bitchy like I was
You had the nerve to ask me
If I planned to do it any harm
So, look here
I put the other newbie on the back of my bike
And we went riding
Down by old man Johnnie's Farm
I said now, your other i-deas never turned me on
But something about the croissants and her mixed
She wasn't too bright
But I could tell when she deleted me*
She knew how to get her kicks
(* annos)
Twenty-two ideas a day
Filtering trolls gets to be such a bore
Twenty-two ideas a day
The kind you find in a school in grade four
Twenty-two ideas a day
I think I slumber
One idea per month don't look so cool when you're being uncouth
And [lintkeeper2] wonder who [UB] are**
The crap drowns out what the lightning seeks
An idea that is a star
** definitely not me, thanks for asking
Listen
They say your first idea ain't the greatest
But I tell ya
If I had the chance to do it all again
I would have another poke
'Cause baby I'm not the most
Vicious as [UB] was back then
(Twenty-two ideas a day)
The kind you find (The kind you find)
The kind you find (In a second hand store)
Oh no no
(Fishbone fishbone)
(And if it was warm)
Where have all the croissants gone?
I think I... I think I... I think I would love one
The Artist Formerly Known as Prince
http://www.youtube....watch?v=wcMuTsBFQTE
A rare opportunity to see him hunting... [wagster, Feb 11 2010]
Turtles_all_the_way_down
http://en.wikipedia...es_all_the_way_down
Maybe not so much pillars. [csea, Feb 12 2010]
http://wrongcards.com/ecard/bury-hatchet
[Phrontistery, May 26 2012]
[link]
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Pretty sure there is nothing in the quality of my work to date that would suggest otherwise... |
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Anagram: A muscular sunset |
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Well, I know who you are. |
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I've hidden behind my real name. |
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[po] - you're not asking who *I* am are you? |
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[thumb] hope you haven't been waiting long for an idea of mine to use that anagram?? |
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I saw [UnaBubba] drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's. His hair was perfect. |
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[LT] Relax. I was responding to po. |
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Sorry [Idischler], my misunderstanding. I've edited my overly defensive anno. Was the //I know who you are// responding to po as well? |
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// There would be very few usernames here that are reflective of real names.//
I'm hiding behind the name David Scothern. Make up your own mind. :p |
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Op is an anagram of [po]! |
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Apologies to Sting
"Every breath you take
Every click you make
Every vote you take
Every post you bake
He'll be watching you
Oh can't you see - where's the real UB?
Among all the fakes
He'll take up more space..."
<passing the baton to someone else....> |
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// It ain't me. // ... but that's exactly what you would say if you ARE [UB] and you wanted to fool us, isn't it? |
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[LT] appears to live in a city several hundred km removed from [UB]'s. It definitely isn't him /her. :) |
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[luecke]: ...and that's exactly what you would say if you wanted to take attention away from yourself, isn't it? |
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<obligatory sparticus>No, *I'm* [UnaBubba]!</os> |
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(Good, now that's out of the way...) |
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ha ha (nervous laughter) ... don't be silly [yabba], I was simply trying to point out the fact that... LOOK OVER THERE! |
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Two clues:
1: He's still here.
2: He hasn't annotated this yet. |
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well she was always very hairy. |
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2fries, don't be so sure of that. |
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I am only sure of my own mortality and even that has yet to be proved. |
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if you are - then I want nothing to do with you ever again! |
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//swearing at imaginary assailants// Ha! |
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Is it just me, or is [Zanzibar] actually [po]? |
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yeah, we swap identities from time to time. I am the pretty sexy one. |
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he is the fat, smelly one with the rather small d... |
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BTW: I'm assuming you're just playing with [UB], but sarcasm doesn't come across very well on the HB. |
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<chicken licken>Help! The Sky is Falling. </chicken licken> |
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//[thumb] hope you haven't been waiting long for an idea of mine to use that anagram?? - Lacus Trasumenus// |
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// I'm [Lacus Trasumenus] !* // |
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Bastard, using my account to post all your shit ideas... |
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... actually maybe not *all*. |
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I was reading an old idea and noticed the annotations read like Swiss cheese. So is UnaBubba gone? Is this old news? |
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Recent sad old news. Sadly to say. |
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Yes, but, well, two things, well, three things. |
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One: He hasn't actually died, just left.
Two: He may be lurking.
Three: He may have gotten a life. I know i waste too much time here and i'm not saying he did, but it's not necessarily sad that he's not now contributing.
Four: We don't actually know he's not here under another name. |
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I had another thought last night about this. [Bristolz], i presume, interacted with [UB] on here and those dialogues don't now make sense. Any annos she put on his ideas are also gone. I think that's a shame. |
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//No, no he was not.//
Yes, he was / is. Not
always in a bad way. |
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Angel darling. I'm so glad to hear your voice. I've
missed you. |
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And you are right, but I was being nice. I think
everyone should only say positive things, or nothings. |
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No one knows what precipitates a persons behavior
or actions except that person. Hence I hope not to
judge, lest I be judged. |
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Come on, he had a heart of gold! |
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He had little tolerance for people who would not learn. Usually his barbs to them were well-deserved. Sometimes they actually started to learn as a result. |
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I come here when my brain is hibernating in between lunch and something drab... Why would such a place be taken seriously? |
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I come here to learn 'and' have fun.
I am starved for knowlege but since I can't stay focused for more than fifteen seconds at a stretch it seems that I need to be bombarded with input from multiple angles in order for any of it to stick, so this site and its eclecticnicity is about the closest thing I've ever found to the way my teenage bedroom of a brain ticks.
It kinda pissed me off when all of his cast off knowlege went poof.
You say that //he had little tolerance for people who would not learn// ,well...I was learning that crap. |
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It's ok [2 fries], I'll be your mentor now...... |
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I don't know if i want to take this place seriously or not, but does there really always have to be a division between work and play, as 'twere? Little dribs of info eventually add up to a lot, inaccurate though they might be, but this place accords well with self-directed learning in the sense that rather than following a curriculum, you follow your interest and are therefore more motivated and engaged than you would be otherwise, which means you cover more ground. Learning can be a slog, and the information from here may not be reliable. That's probably a trade-off. |
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The thing is, if you see information in a particular field, a formal academic course tries to cover a contiguous area. That doesn't happen here, but the area we cover is large, with fractal rather than rectilinear edges. The other issue is, how reliable is what we learn from here? |
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I just think you are wonderful, [19thly] |
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Thanks, [blissmiss], you're not so bad yourself. At least you're still here, even if [UB]'s not. |
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//Learning can be a slog, and the information from here may not be reliable. That's probably a trade-off.// |
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I think that probably holds true for the internet as a whole. Whenever I try to learn something new, I generally start with the internet. If it holds my interest I then have to move on to books (sort of cube-shaped things made out of 'paper' - imagine lots of very thin screens all stacked up - your mum can tell you about them) which are harder work but generally more reliable and in-depth. |
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Actually the main problem for me with learning stuff off the internet is the fact that so many papers have to be paid for to access. |
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I tend to go to books first, but it isn't always a case of either/or, because there are plenty of those on the internet, for example the Voynich Manuscript is online. |
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There's also the possibility that one might gain knowledge from practical experience. |
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I still think the HB is special. |
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//seriously or not//
Both! |
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//how reliable is what we learn from here?//
Very - and not at all. |
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That's one of the great things about the 'bakery. By existing along the lines of feasible and screwball or infeasible in an interesting way (plus/minus random funny/practical/stupid ideas) you can get some discussions around very technical and engaging matter. It also helps that there are quite a few smart cookies around here. |
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I'd third it. How do you sort the wheat from the chaff though? |
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I've got an idea in the works that doesn't quite involve nanotech, as it happens. |
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Thanks [wagster], I'll do my best to keep up. |
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Undoubtedly books are a better learning tool than the hb, but without dipping your toe into topics here how can you know what books are worth bothering to dive into? |
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There is something about information being presented in the form of a discussion where all sides are examined and refuted that makes learning the material feel more natural, even if the information may not be entirely accurate.
Before schools this would have been the way all learning was done, by listening to stories and staying out from underfoot as your elders argued amongst themselves. It makes it possible to more easily think freely about a subject and form opinions that are ones own. |
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One of these days I'm going to get to finish my education. If I do well, it will be in no small part due to this place being the ultimate primer. |
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Where else on the internet, or in real life for that matter, can you find any conceivable topic disected and have milk squirt out of your nose at the same time? |
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Well, the people who are here are in fact here, but they could be elsewhere. I haven't generally had the kind of conversation that goes on here elsewhere until recently, but in the past few months i have been able to do so in other places on the internet. Having said that, it's the people that make up this place to some extent. I'm also very keen on the relative minimalism, which maybe attracts a certain clientele too. |
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I also have to say that the peripatetic approach to education still exists without the formal education system. |
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peripatetic - kinda wandering wondering... |
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See what I mean?
I didn't even know that there was a word for it. |
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We're all pacing up and down in a room without a pillar in the middle. |
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UB was that pillar. He held up the roof, and if you ran into him, well, he wasn't going to move much. I learned much from him, about myself mostly. |
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I find it's in that place 'between lunch and something drab' where I can play, and play is serious business. |
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It's turtles all the way down. [link] |
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I'm looking forward to becoming "The Artist Formerly
Unknown as ..." |
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I feel a grope coming on...no, no, I meant group
hug coming on. What an amazing decade, (almost),
I have been able to be a part of here. I wouldn't
change a thing. Even the coming and goings, the
real relationships, and the unbelievably long
friendships I have encountered here. Some up,
sometimes not so up, but always a learning place
and entertaining as well (2frys wrote about that so
eloquently). |
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Always bearing in mind it is jutta's to pull the plug
on, one day or not. |
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Having met her now, I admire the site, and her
unwavering support of it even more so than the
day I finally stopped lurking. (Atleast 6 or 7 months
of that, I think.). |
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I'd be lost without a place to spin around in. I
mean a
fairly safe haven to spin around in, if that makes
sense. |
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So there _is_ a pillar? And presumably also a snake, a wall, a large leaf and so forth. |
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[Blissmiss], should [Jutta] ever choose to do that, people still have each others' email addresses, are contacts on social networking sites and even, shock, horror, in real life. We could cobble something together like the Fakebakery, and once we'd done that, we'd probably gain a deeper appreciation of how much she's doing for us now. |
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It's a race against time for Google Wave then. Should we maybe try it out with an idea sometime? |
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yeah right - I hate facebook, blissy has problems with xply and you don't *get* twitter... hb has a certain glue quality. |
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That's true. I wasn't suggesting the actual use of that lot, just a post-apocalyptic reassembly of ex-'bakers via such places. We can contact each other in different ways, and if the worst happened we could get quite a few of us together to start something new, not actually on those places as such, but if it did happen, Google Wave could be part of it. |
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"Einstein with a whoopie cushion." best darn description of the Halfbakery I have heard in a long time.*** bravo*** |
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In reference to the possible resurrection of [UB], I don't know, one way or another. I can say that I miss [UB]. Both his ideas and his annos. And if this is him, I would say: Quit fucking around and stick with one account. |
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It looks more like twitter than facebook, I think. |
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[Blissmiss], do you mean the HB looks like Twitter, or Buzz? |
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I don't know about Buzz, but i do know that the quality of a product isn't necessarily connected to how successful it is. Betamax, for example, is often claimed to be better than VHS, which is maybe dubious, but certainly ease of use, picture quality, better features on Betamax VCRs than VHS ones and the like didn't contribute to the success of the latter. I don't know what did. Concerning software, i'm pretty sure Word Perfect was better than Word, for example, IE is just awful compared to pretty much any other well-known browser, and so on. So if Buzz is better than Google Wave, that's not necessarily going to contribute to its success. Chrome is less popular than IE. |
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[MikeD], if you really have as much time to waste as i have, you could analyse different users' annotations and ideas cryptographically and find out if anyone is particularly similar to [UB]. I hear that the ratio between sentence length and verbs is often quite distinctive and the compressibility of text is, i think, distinctive to particular writers. So i hear, anyway. |
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Yes, everything that ever happens in history is driven by sex. |
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I think Wave looks and operates more like Twitter.
Fast updates from all your devices. Where as I, and I
may stand alone on this, think Facebook is more
geared towards finding people/places you have lost
contact with, and sharing current photos. I've never
spoken with old high school buddies on twitter and
then exchanged photos of our kids. It, to me, is more
"this moment of this dayish'? If that makes any sense
at all. |
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Einstein with a whoopie cushion for a brain, maybe. |
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So, [rcarty], are you saying that Einsteins brain had crucially inflatable ventricles? |
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[Blissmiss], one of my uses of FB right now, as you're probably aware, is to rant endlessly about the CSF Bill, organise against it and do HE stuff in Leicester while providing the government with evidence against their allegations in a public forum, but also to maintain contact with you, other 'Bakers and that bloke who lives in Australia, what's his name now? |
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...our missing Brother Brethren... |
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Ooh, [blissmiss], you've just reminded me of another idea. |
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Who or what is CSF Bill? Is it anything like CSI Miami?
Googling tells me it's being debated and fisked (whatever
fisking is); Wikipedia just insists it's cerebro-spinal fluid. |
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OK, [MB]. Children, Schools and Families Bill, as in DCSF, the
new name of the appropriate bit of the Department for
Education. Nothing to do with meninges as such. |
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Ah - you mean the Department for Cutting Social Funding!
Now it's all clear. |
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//if you really have as much time to waste as i have// |
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More Sadly: I will most likely spend it on even less fruitful ventures than those mentioned. |
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[MikeD], not sure about that. I might want to data-mine the HB but that's just my intellectual masturbation really. It would serve no useful purpose, though it could. |
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[MB], would that they did spend less money! What they actually seem to do is divert money to less useful stuff. |
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Just found a great link for an old idea. After searching fruitlessly, I remembered the idea was by UnaBubba. |
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If someone does know that UnaBubba is still here and also knows who he is, please tell him MikeD says he's a fucktard for deleting his account. |
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(Not said angrily. Just said.) |
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He may have read it himself, [MikeD]. |
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Didn't [Unabubba] disappear once before only to
come back as [a Farrago of calumnies] before
finally having his account restored? That may just
be my imagination or rusty memory.
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I also seem to remember him talking about burning
the entire halfbakery to disk at one stage -
probably after the big crash, in which case the
missing annos and ideas are still in existence albeit
in a desk drawer somewhere. Either way, to me
it's all part of the organic development of the
halfbakery. I kind of like the way old ideas fade to
swiss cheese, in the same way that memories of
real events fade away over time. |
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Well, if he has burnt it to disc we don't know when, and we don't know how many would be missing. However, it is possible that someone else went on the WayBack machine when they realised what was going on and did a bit of work, as with the Crash. |
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Yes, he did go away and come back before but he didn't delete everything the time i remember him doing that. |
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My real regret with this is that the Swiss cheese effect will have influenced any conversations he had with [bristolz]. |
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I would like to say that I for one do not have an UnaBubba fetish... |
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//an UnaBubba// a Unabubba? an? a? ? |
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A - it starts with an unwritten "h". |
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I would like to re-title this as "The Arsehole formerly known as UB" He took his ball back like a spoiled child having a tantrum. [marked-for-deletion] reason - devoid of an idea, unless I'm missing something. |
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The discussion and the idea have diverged somewhat here. The "idea" is a song parody, whereof there are plenty on here. The shift in the annos towards talking about his departure only happened years later, and it's not the OP's fault that happened, so it's not fair to call for deletion. |
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Concerning [UB], attributing reasons in the absence of evidence is more a source of superstition than rationality, so i don't think we can assume or conclude much concerning motives. |
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He does clearly enjoy yanking people's chains. |
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I shared an account here with him back in the day; after some crash or other he reposted the ideas I'd come up with as his and not even a credit. That didn't impress me, he didn't even write in my style. |
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So you're him? (how can you "share an account") Explain more. |
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I have to say that made me curious too, but who's to say what was going on before whenever it was i found this place? Other than other people, of course. |
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// like watching Einstein with a whoopie cushion // [marked-for-tagline] |
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// the area we cover is large, with fractal rather than rectilinear edges. // [nineteenthly] et al: this post of yours, and the conversation that follows, fills my heart with gladness and rejoicing. It's the best two-paragraph summation of the Joy of Halfbaking I have read to date. I love you all, and I would miss you all should this corner of the world wink out of existence. Bless all your little cotton socks. |
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[UnaBubba]: come back! Your curmudgeonly ways were the sauerkraut that made this borscht complete. |
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// The other issue is, how reliable is what we learn from here? // Ah, this is part of the wisdom of the 'bakers Way: how reliable is what we learn from anywhere, without independent verification? How reliable is your understanding of biology and geology, for example, if your weighty, pressed-tree-pulp source is only available in Arkansas or Texas? |
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In the end, it's not the facts we learn here that make a difference, but the method. |
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/come back!// Not a sentiment shared by me. |
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It's nice to plant seeds without knowing what's going to spring up while you're away, and without much skill either, but thanks anyway. |
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"And they'll still talk about him when he's gone." |
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Some rather "enlightening" comments on this thread. |
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//He does clearly enjoy yanking people's chains.// |
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I want to be <rips off jacket to reveal a checked shirt> a BellRinger! |
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Leaping from rope to rope!
Pealing every combination on a Sunday morning!
With my best girl by my side!
Jingle bells!
Liberty bell!
Mighty Big Ben!
We'd Ring! Ring! Ring! |
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Oh, I'm a bellringer, and I'm okay,
I sleep all night and I work all day.
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CHORUS: He's a bellringer, and he's okay,
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
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I ring the bells, I stop the bus,
I flush the lava-try.
I turn the bathroom light off
And pull crackers with my tea.
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// "And they'll still talk about him when he's gone."
// |
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We did. "What UnaBubba said" has become kind of a
catchphrase for surreptitiously illuminating what's gone
unspoken in a discussion. |
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Hey, [Ubba]: MikeD says you're a fucktard for deleting
your account (but not angrily—he's just saying.) |
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Personally, after reading his "I'm back—for now" speech
I resolved to make sure to quote any part of any
annotation of his I reference or respond to, just for
the sake of preserving continuity. |
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I, for one, am just glad and relieved that Bubba is
back. It was far too quiet without him. |
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So this isn't an idea then? |
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Much of the stuff posted in the "Halfbakery" category
isn't. See the help page for details. |
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There was nothing I said in annotations that would
change your life, [ytk]. Seriously, I know, because I
said it. |
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Are you sure there's nothing you want to say to me
personally, now that I'm back and you're not shouting
after my shadow? |
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There's plenty of sugar on this page, seems to me
that a little salt does no harm. After all, the last post
was 2 years ago. |
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Salt not so good in wounds though. |
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That's true if there are wounds but if there are
wounds, maybe this page should have stayed in 2010? |
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This seems like haunting your own wake in some fashion. |
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...or waking your old haunt... |
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What !?
I can't help it!
Jeez! |
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[ub] //Are you sure there's nothing you want to say to me personally// I think you overestimate your significance. |
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I only come to the halfbakery to enjoy some discourse over ideas etc, and not to participate in slanging matches or be subject to the constant drip of abuse, whenever I make any postings or annotations. It's a form of bullying, which diminishes everyone's enjoyment of this site. |
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Could you please stick to commenting on ideas and desist from making personal comments about me? Perhaps you'd prefer me to stop posting anything at all? |
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//Could you please stick to commenting on ideas and desist
from making personal comments//. That goes both ways
[xenzag]. |
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The rest of us are getting bored with this, so lets just say
that you and [UB] each got in the last word and we are now
all going to get on with the real purpose of the Bakery. |
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I remember a few years ago. I was driving down the
road thinking about a fresh idea I had just halfbaked.
I was so happy with the creativity, I proceeded a
fantasy where all halfbakers get paid for their frivolities. We just sit around and make funny
connective ideas and spend the whole day doing it... |
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I also remember slapping myself in the face for that
stupid idea. |
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Don't blame your lovely fantasy [daseva], blame reality. |
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// The rest of us are getting bored with this // |
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Speak for yourself, I'm quite enjoying it. |
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Excellent song, [Loris]. Except for the //checked shirt//. Perhaps something more arcane such as a ULSCR hoodie? |
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//Excellent song, [Loris]. Except for the //checked shirt//. Perhaps something more arcane such as a ULSCR hoodie?// |
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Thanks, although I can't take the credit - I'm afraid it's a poor derivative of a fairly well-known sketch. The checked shirt bled through from the the original. Maybe rags and a hunch? |
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