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Enormous efforts go into keeping one's submarines
stealthy
by reducing noise emissions to as low as possible. At
some
point there is an irreducible minimum which could
potentially allow an adversary to detect your vessel.
Indeed, each submarine has a unique noise signature
which
identifies
it to the enemy who would have previously
logged each vessel's noise profile when it was going in
and
out of ports and other choke points.
The Clone Drone submersible system has several hundred
autonomous underwater drones equipped with speakers
and a library of high verisimilitude recordings of
individual
subs. Once your submarine has left Kings Bay or Clyde or
otherwise moves beyond the reach of prying eyes, the
fleet of
clone drones disperse across the ocean whilst emitting
the
whispery quiet, but still audible, noise profile of your sub
hence confounding the enemy's attempts to track it with
certainty.
"Stream the Nixie"
https://en.wikipedi...iki/AN/SLQ-25_Nixie
Ship deployed torpedo decoy - similar idea [Custardguts, May 24 2016]
"Launch the MOSS"
https://en.wikipedi...submarine_simulator
This one's a lot closer. [Custardguts, May 24 2016]
[link]
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I was thinking about objecting on the grounds of
noise pollution and its effects on whales, but the low
noise levels emitted by a stealthy sub shouldn't be a
nissue. [+] |
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Brilliant, but like you say, they have to already be
doing this right? |
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You should submit it to DARPA anyway. |
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Actually, I've never really *seen* one of those Trident
submarines we're meant to have. All that's known is
that a bunch of sailors disappear for several months
at a time. |
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Additionally, possibly, clone drones could emit a previously
uncatalogued signature. This may convince the enemy that
we've got an extra sub (or two) out there. |
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"Chaff" is a simple defensive tactic / concept that's very
hard to counter,
whether it be high tech sound signature emulating drones
or strips of tin foil dumped from an airplane to obscure
your bomber's radar profile. |
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In warfare simple and smart trumps expensive and stupid
every time. Not that these would be cheap, but they'd be
cheaper
than losing a multi billion dollar submarine. |
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I've always supported this concept for aircraft. Stealth
attack aircraft that drop a half dozen jet propelled
drones programmed with feint attack profiles. We're
really getting into the "Just not worth starting a war with
these guys." image that we want our armed forces to
project. |
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" simple and smart trumps expensive and stupid every time " |
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"Just not worth starting a war with these guys " |
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Unfortunately the guys who sell the stuff go looking for opportunities to create business, using their politico buddies as the instigators. |
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//simple and smart trumps// I thought they were
just simple? |
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Oh gawd...I'm glad I didn't see that coming. |
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It's going to be an interesting election... |
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Looks like it's not gonna be Bernie and Trump like I had
hoped for but it should still be good for a few laughs. |
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Whispery quiet? How about a lamprey-drone which attaches to the
enemy sub's hull, deploys a prop so that it is powered by the sub's
motion through the water, and then plays "We are the Champions" at
max volume into the hull on continuous repeat. |
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See links, especially the second one. |
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Pretty close [Custardguts]. The MOSS device seems more
like a plane's flares and would only be used in close fighting
as opposed to confounding tracking but basically the same
concept. |
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Wonder why they withdrew it? This concept with
the new available technology would be very
effective. The MOSS system they're talking about is
incredibly primitive technology. Probably had
vacuum tubes in it. Maybe not that bad but
certainly laughable by today's standards. |
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I was thinking how I'd counter it though, and of
course you know the answer: counter drones. |
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I'd drop a shitload of hunter drones that would
seek out anything sounding like a submarine, close
and establish confirmation of the size of the ship
by close sonar signature or visual contact. |
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The future of warfare is quite simple, the first side
that get's their semi autonomous drones together
wins. |
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[lurch] that has got to rank in the Top Ten annos. Multiple
redundant power supplies and a permanent autonomous
attachment method (thermite? J-B Weld?) would have the
crew mutinied and the boat steaming back to port before the
day was out! |
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[lurch], fantasic! I am leaning more towards calling them barn-eccles, and they just repeat the phrase: "What time is it Eccles?" |
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"Durrr ... I got it written down on a piece of paper. A nice man wrote it down for me this morning". |
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// the first side that get's their semi autonomous drones together wins // |
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At last, hope for parents .... their surly teenagers who spend all their time alone in their bedroom playing FPS MMORPG's will suddenly be hot property.... |
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//The MOSS first entered service in 1976 and was deployed
on all American ballistic missile submarines from the 1980s
until it was withdrawn in the mid 1990s. |
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How would anyone know if the subs are still out there, and
this isn't just a sneaky way to cut back the budget to no subs
at all? In the manner of "The rise and rise of Michael
Rimmer" film (before he went on to do Red Dwarf). |
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I was thinking that for laughs the programmers could have
the clone drone emulate 1 particular sub, then slowly morph
into the sound signature of one of the enemy's subs. "You
idiot Pyotr, that sub you've had us tracking for 4 days is our
flagship!" |
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