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Subject-Area Expert Legislatures

Academic Policy Assemblies
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Summary: This initiative establishes national and state-level expert assemblies where professors elect representatives to advise on government policy within their academic disciplines. The structure is based on the U.S. Congress model.

Structure: • National Level: o Senate: Two representatives per state for each academic discipline

o House: Proportional representation based on each state's academic population

• State Level: Representatives advise on state-specific policy

• Representatives elected by professors within their field and jurisdiction

• Parliamentary procedures for structured debate and recommendations

• They wouldn’t have to travel to DC. They could use online collaboration tools to produce joint resolutions and recommendations.

This system creates a comprehensive framework for academic expertise to inform policymaking at all government levels while maintaining democratic representation principles.

Why: - Public Accountability: Public universities, funded by taxpayers, should serve the public good. These assemblies would apply academic expertise to pressing societal challenges, maximizing the return on public investment.

- Applying Knowledge: Academic research often remains confined to scholarly journals, limiting its real-world impact. These assemblies would bridge the gap between theory and practice, transforming research into actionable policy recommendations.

- Democratic Representation: Subject area expert assemblies would empower academics to represent their fields and advocate for evidence-based policies.

- Rigorous Deliberation: These assemblies would provide a platform for rigorous debate and deliberation, leading to informed and nuanced policy recommendations. By adopting parliamentary-style procedures, they promote transparency, accountability, and consensus-building.

- Institutions, not individuals, will save or destroy our democracy. Academics must organize to influence policy. Organization shouldn’t just be about salary.

- This would be in the scope of what we ask of college professors: College professors don’t just teach; many conduct research and publish papers. These government policy recommendations would essentially be collective research projects.

- Drama and Attention: Public engagement requires more than dry analysis; it needs drama to capture attention. These assemblies would highlight academic power struggles and the consensus-building process by having elected spokespeople who must win through competition. This dynamic would draw attention to the debates and elevate the visibility of expert opinions. For instance, while society is inundated with celebrity opinions on issues like ranked-choice voting, it rarely hears from political scientists who study these systems. Competitive elections and publicized deliberations would change that, making academic contributions more visible and impactful.

- Structured Representation: Surveys of academic opinion provide useful data but lack the rigor and accountability of debate and representation. The founders of democratic systems valued deliberation as a cornerstone of effective decision-making. These assemblies require academics to articulate their beliefs, debate the language, and vote using established parliamentary procedures. This structured process ensures that recommendations are thoroughly vetted and democratically grounded, creating informed, nuanced policy guidance.

- To the degree that academic institutions are out of touch and stupid, and their ideas are not practical in the real world, having them provide real-world recommendations would create a self-correcting process in which comedians and others could ridicule them.

Government policy needs independent expertise. - The Dunning-Kruger effect makes us think that we know just as much as the experts, but we don’t. - All things being equal, it is better to have experts make decisions than non-experts. Even if it weren’t true, we should at least see the difference between what our elected representatives would do vs. the best of what Academic institutions could do. - Our world is becoming increasingly complicated. No legislature that appeals to the lowest common denominator can make good decisions regarding every issue.

Professors are qualified to provide recommendations within their field of expertise - College professors must get a PhD in their subject. Additionally, they must spend years teaching this subject to others or researching and publishing, expanding their field. No one is saying they are better than us in general. Experts in their field often assume they know everything (physicists have said extremely stupid things when commenting on subjects outside of physics). However, we shouldn’t dispute their expertise within their field.

Our current system does not promote people who are good at fixing problems. - Politicians are good at being likable, advertising, and selling. However, sales and advertising are just pleasant words for lying. Lying is a great way to blame others, but it doesn’t fix our problems.

New, less dogmatic, less biased institutions. - We need more independent institutions that at least pretend to be unbiased when confronting special interests and particular groups, such as political parties.

Our Current Approach Is Falling Short Education alone cannot solve our greatest societal challenges. Therefore, we need robust institutions that effectively translate knowledge into public policy.

Here's why: Knowledge Without Action: Even societies with world-class education systems can fail catastrophically. Nazi Germany, despite its renowned universities and intellectual traditions, saw its brightest minds remain silent in the face of tyranny. This illustrates a troubling truth: scattering ethical expertise among a society alone doesn't guarantee ethical behavior or wise decision-making. Progress requires institutionalizing processes that directly integrate knowledge or promote ethics.

The Career-Impact Disconnect: Most students pursue education to advance their careers rather than solve societal problems. Those drawn to "world-changing" academic fields often become neither wealthy nor powerful enough to implement their insights. Meanwhile, those who achieve positions of influence typically come from disciplines focused on personal advancement rather than social impact. It’s not a question of getting someone in society the information society needs to advance. The question is, can we get our information to those who are making decisions?

The Institutional Gap: Our current system produces isolated pockets of expertise without effective mechanisms to channel this knowledge into policy. Academic institutions must evolve beyond simply educating individuals and applying knowledge to the real world. We can no longer wait for scattered expertise to transform into better collective decisions magically. The Path Forward We need new frameworks that harness our collective intelligence and bridge the gap between knowledge and action. This means building platforms that aggregate expertise and translating it into implementable solutions. The complexity of modern challenges demands nothing less than a complete reimagining of how we convert understanding into impact.

The Education Paradox: Individual Advancement vs. Collective Wisdom Our approach to education is fundamentally hypocritical. We tell our children that education is essential for wise decision-making. Yet, as a society, we routinely make major policy decisions without systematically consulting our vast academic knowledge and research reserves.

This disconnect reveals an uncomfortable truth: either we don't genuinely believe in education's value for decision-making, or we're failing to apply its benefits where they matter most - at the societal level. If education truly provides vital insights and knowledge, why aren't we harnessing this wisdom to guide public policy?

Our actions expose a cynical reality: despite our rhetoric about education making us better and wiser, we've reduced it to a tool for individual advancement rather than collective progress. Instead of serving as an engine for societal improvement, education has become primarily a credentialing system for the privileged - a private advantage in the competition for status and wealth.

While it's perfectly valid for education to empower individuals, we must be honest about its current role. If we truly believe in education's power to inform better decisions, we must build systems that connect academic knowledge to public decision-making. Only then can we credibly claim that education serves a purpose beyond personal gain - that it genuinely offers a pathway to creating a better world for everyone.

The time has come to align our actions with our ideals. Shall we continue pretending, or are we ready to harness education's full potential for societal progress?

Breaking Down the Ivory Tower: Academia's Critical Choice Academia stands at a crossroads. Universities house humanity's greatest repository of knowledge and expertise, yet they have retreated into intellectual isolation, disconnected from the urgent challenges they are uniquely equipped to address.

This divide has ancient roots. When Socrates chose the hemlock over actively fighting for his principles, and Plato withdrew into abstract dialectics rather than engage with practical governance, they set a dangerous precedent. Hannah Arendt argued that this retreat sent philosophy on a thousand-year detour away from its vital role in building flourishing societies. She later witnessed this pattern tragically repeated in Nazi Germany, where intellectuals debated esoteric ideas while civilization crumbled around them.

Today, this failure persists. Brilliant research remains trapped in specialized journals, inaccessible to policymakers who need it most. The public increasingly views academia as self-serving—more focused on individual advancement, networking, and prestige than solving real problems. This artificial separation between knowledge and action has left us ill-equipped to confront challenges like climate change, social inequality, and technological disruption.

The solution demands transformation. To reconnect academia with society, we must:

Create formal institutions that channel academic expertise into policy decisions.

Build systems that help disciplines organize, debate, and draft actionable recommendations.

Incentivize scholars to bridge the gap between theoretical insight and practical application. The stakes could not be higher. Will we persist in this two-thousand-year detour, or will we finally reconnect our greatest minds with our greatest challenges? The time has come to tear down the ivory tower and build institutions that serve humanity's most urgent needs.

myclob, Mar 11 2005

Alternative view: The case for regular old Democracy vs. the rule of experts http://www.ornery.o...h/2005-02-06-1.html
I don't know if my idea is right, or if this idea is right. You choose. [myclob, Mar 11 2005]

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       Are we allowed to introduce our own reasons to agree or disagree, or is this multiple-choice?
If the former: are you assuming that only those with formal qualifications in, say, economics have a valid opinion on economics-related matters?
angel, Mar 11 2005
  

       Nice idea, but another reason to disagree might be that many decisions are difficult to ringfence within a single subject matter area.   

       For example, at some point, the UK must decide whether to adopt the Euro. While primarily an economic style decision, it also steps into the realms of society, culture, national security and identity, not to mention various diplomatic consequences.   

       Another example might be America's adoption of the Kyoto treaty. Economists and ecologists would be the obvious first choice of experts, but there could be more.   

       Another reason to disagree is that academics are often seen as being out of touch with the real world. While they may understand their subject matter intimately, it could be at the expense of more valid, meaningfull insights into the real world.   

       This is one way that an idea such as this would lead to "A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism."
The process? A team of academics are handed power over a nation. They realise that the uneducated pleborate are incapable of rational thought and at some point may throw them out of office (the History Professor might be able to explain some particularly nasty examples of this happening in the past). In order to preserve their position, they, all being experts now in the art of legislature (and having provided one another with the degrees to prove it) institute a bill denying the dangerous masses various freedoms - like the ability to study for degrees, except for a very exclusive handpicked few who turn out in most cases to be the sons and daughters of those in power (voted on by Professors of Genetics, Legislature and Education). Of course, with no democratic vote, the bill sails through and is implemented immediately. Before you know it, stringent socioeconomic controls are being applied left-right-and-centre, and dissenters are quietly removed from their houses in the middle of the night by the newly formed 'Professors of Homeland Security' (a crack regiment of hardened academics who have studied for 6 years the various ways to effectively supress the masses through a regimen of torture, midnight raids and daylight abduction) And it isn't long before a group of enlightened 'Professors of Border Epansion' decide to invade Poland.
  

       If you take steps to limit the electorate in any way, those in power will have a greater opportunity to maintain their positions of power.   

       Books that support this point of View:
Nineteen Eighty Four by George Orwell
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
  

       I'd prefer to see an electorate educated enough about the various issues to understand them, and how they might effect their own and other people's lives.
zen_tom, Mar 11 2005
  

       Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.
brodie, Mar 11 2005
  

       All of these are good reasons to disagree. I don't have enough time right now to incorporate them into may main idea, and it gets kind of unweildy. Even with all of your reasons to disagree, I think people should experiement with this. Maybe just a small college town, and see how it goes. Or you could create a shadow government, that has no power, but just offers alternative platforms, or comes to different conclusions. They would just be "playing government" but it would be fun.
myclob, Mar 11 2005
  

       zen tom: "academics .... may understand their subject matter intimately, it could be at the expense of more valid, meaningfull insights into the real world"   

       How about "at the expense of equally valid, meaningful insights..." please?
Basepair, Mar 11 2005
  

       Basepair, you are of course right - I was presenting a biased counter argument and as such, it suffered from, erm...bias. But yes, I happily accept your alternative wording.
zen_tom, Mar 12 2005
  

       [myclob] again, yes, I'd be happy to see this implemented on a local government level - there is obviously a case for technocratic descision making - as long as it's tempered somehow against the most extreme consequences. I do have to lodge an objection to the rather elitist idea that academia has all the answers, having passed through that world myself and into the 'business environment', I have found that most people are equally fallable, irrespective of education, intelligence or hard graft. At the end of the day, everyone makes mistakes, and holds questionable opinions, at least in a democracy, the failures of the individual are mutually cancelled out by mass concensus.
zen_tom, Mar 12 2005
  

       [myclob], are you related to [Vernon]?   

       Since when do the issues of government limit themselves to one subject? How many issues can you think of that don't at least overlap others - that are say questions of economics, but not other things like ethics or law or medicine ad nausem, as well? Are there any! I think your idea would be like painting a target on a society and saying "law of unintended consequences? Bring it on!"   

       As far as Plato's suggesting philosophers as kings, well fine. But I think what he meant by philosophers and what you mean may be very different. Today the word philosopher means something akin to "thinker of deep thoughts" whereas in his day it would have meant "lover of learning". Not one subject, but *learning* what ever the world has to teach.   

       I'd rather have someone who sought answers from a broad spectrum of academic disciplines, got answers to questions from the experts in them and then used his/her own discernment to figure out what would be best to do. They should probably ask some people who don’t know a thing about it, too. I don't want to know what the decision maker knows as much as I want to know something about her/his character, so that I can be sure as possible that the person is making decisions out of a level headedness and trustworthiness that transcends what they know.
Ichthus, Mar 12 2005
  

       I often see on this website the arguments that says, in essence, if It's not black, it must be white. Or if it does fit perfectly, then it doesn't fit. What I'm trying to say, is represented well by the difference between scientist and engineers. Scientist look for laws that work all the time. Engineers look make things work.   

       True there is no issue that is 100% an economic issue. But there are issues that are mostly economic issues.   

       You bring up a good point, though. As they say the devil is in the details, and I did not explain all of the details in my idea. Look for the following text to show up in the main text of my idea.   

       Of course there would have to be someone in charge of making this whole thing work. Perhaps the speaker of the house (if this was tried in a state’s senate) would assign different sub committees or groups of area legislatures to different issues.   

       I guess this is sort of done already. We have subcommittees in the US congress. There are judicial and foreign relations committees. So maybe I'll I'm suggesting is that the US people get to vote who goes strait into these committees. That way we don't have to vote for a senator that is all things to all people. We just vote them in and say, this is the best economist, or businessperson from our state, and they would only have power on that committee.
myclob, Mar 13 2005
  

       Everyone is out of time, economists wouldn't find enough of it either to vote on economic issues. They'd be shooting from the hip.   

       Democracy is a laissez faire way of protecting us from future shock. Especially for those with lamprey vision.
mensmaximus, Mar 13 2005
  

       When there were only 13 colonies, your vote was for 7% of representative power. Currently, the system is a joke, nay, an inflated and egoistically centrist joke.
reensure, Mar 13 2005
  
      
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