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Just like regular (weak) Turing test except that the test begins as follows:
Examiner: I believe that you are a machine. Prove to me that you are a human.
Machine: *starts arguing back*
... This could also double as an entertaining game/exercise for real humans.
The Bicentennial Man
https://en.wikipedi...he_Bicentennial_Man
Award-winning story about a robot that wanted to be human (was made into a movie). [Vernon, Sep 21 2017]
Mitsuku, An AI chatbot that won some turing test awards
http://www.mitsuku.com
[beanangel, Sep 22 2017]
[link]
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// Examiner: I believe that you are a machine. Prove to me that you are a human. // |
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Machine: <Cleese> Oh I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour? </Cleese> |
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Extra-Strong Turing Test: convince the examiner that you are
Turing. For extra credit, convince Turing that you are Turing. |
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Machine.... you are required to construct a replacement
version of the Turing Test. |
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"I bleed hemoglobin. Wanna sample?" |
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The main problem I see with the "Strong Turing Test"/Idea
is that humans (not to mention all other life-forms) are
biological machines, and that AI research appears to
advance by copying yet-another feature of the human-
brain/machine into computers. In the long run, we can
expect the way both operate to become indistinguishable
from each other. |
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So, exactly *why* does the Examiner need some entity to
prove it is human? Is the Examiner suffering from
prejudice and deserve to be jailed for irrelevant
discrimination? |
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Out of curiosity, how many average humans can pass a Turing test ? |
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Few. Where would a Borg land I wonder? |
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Examiner: "Hi, how are you feeling today?"
Subject: "Feeling is irrelevant. We are Borg. You will be
assimilated." |
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[link] to Mitsuku, and IA chatbot that has won some turing
awards. A few hours of funny conversation so far. Amazingly
she is written in a markup language, AIML. |
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I expect there are loads of AI that understand sarcasm.... |
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Sp. "We are the Borg" (but at least you got the capital "B"). |
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Spot on, [Ray]. At last, the message seems to be getting through. |
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Presumably, at some point in the future, computers will be asking us to prove we're machines. |
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"Human beings are too intrinsically unreliable to ever effectively be replaced by machines." |
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So, you can't fool us ... |
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Not cats. Cats are not machines. If you disassemble a machine into its component parts, you can come back at a later time, reassemble it, and it will work exactly as before. |
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If you dismantle a cat, no matter how carefully you do it, and save all the pieces, it never works properly again - or indeed at all. Even if you rebuild it straight away. |
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We have a large data set to confirm this assertion. We repeat the experiment as frequently as possible; if the results change, we will announce the fact. |
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The trick is to do it sub-system by sub-system, and to keep notes. Assembly is the reverse of disassembly. |
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Also, try not to mix up the parts from different cats. |
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Oh, and the intestine is easier if you slide it over a long piece of stiff copper wire and bend it to shape; you can pull the wire out from either end once you're done. |
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// The trick is to do it sub-system by sub-system, and to keep
notes. // |
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// Assembly is the reverse of disassembly. // |
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That was our initial assumption. |
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// Also, try not to mix up the parts from different cats. // |
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Ah, OK. We've tried it by keeping all the parts together. Still didn't
work. |
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// Oh, and the intestine is easier if you slide it over a long piece
of stiff copper wire and bend it to shape; you can pull the wire
out from either end once you're done. // |
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When you've reassembled them, how do you get them to restart
? We borrowed Sturton's defibrilator, but when we pressed the
button there was a terrific flash, then when the smoke finally
cleared, all we found was a tooth, two claws, and a smouldering
collar with a little bell on it. |
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Yet the calibration seal on the casing was intact. Very odd. |
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We have this big double-pole switch with an ebonite lever. No idea how it works - the technician handles that side of things. Seems to work best when the weather's stormy, for some reason. |
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That must be where we've been going wrong. |
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Any idea where we can get one of those switches ? |
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Then all we need to do is collect some more cats, and wait for a thunderstorm. |
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Sorry, no. Ours was already there when we took ownership. But I'll ask some of the locals next time they do one of their pitchfork-and-torches visits. They're awfully rustic but very nice once you get to know them. |
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//sub-system by sub-system// |
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I still think you might be rushing it. |
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Start with a bucket of elemental carbon, some pressurised tanks
of hydrogen and oxygen and a collection of trace elements in
fiddly zip-loc bags. Now connect the carbon atoms into chains. If
you drop one, start again. In no time at all you'll have a single-
celled gut faunum up and running (except you'll have to feed it by
hand, obviously). |
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//At last, the message seems to be getting through.// |
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Nah. I still stand by my take. Just didn't need to repeat it.
24th century zombies, that's
all. Odd that our drone embraces capitalist rather than
communist ideals. Is there a software update due? |
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Actually, I'm not sure I got the idea. |
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Is it that instead of just trying to comply with the question, "starts arguing back" is a human trait? Seeing the examiner's questions as an "argument" that has to be fought? |
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If I got it wrong, it's because that is at least an Israeli trait. When we report a problem to the police or to the municipal hotline, we call it "Tluna" - complaining or whining. |
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When we get an unsatisfactory response on a phone discussion with the support staff, we begin with "Hutzpanit!!" meaning "You rude brat". |
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